HOBBY LOBBY FOUNDER MAY CLOSE ALL STORES

When my family and I started our company 40 years ago, we were working out of a garage on a $600 bank loan, assembling miniature picture frames.. Our first retail store wasn’t much bigger than most people’s living rooms, but we had faith that we would succeed if we lived and worked according to God’s word. From there, Hobby Lobby has become one of the nation’s largest arts and crafts retailers, with more than 500 locations in 41 states. Our children grew up into fine business leaders, and today we run Hobby Lobby together, as a family. We’re Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles. I’ve always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to run our business in harmony with God’s laws, and (2) to focus on people more than money. And that’s what we’ve tried to do. We close early so our employees can see their families at night. We keep our stores closed on Sundays, one of the week’s biggest shopping days, so that our workers and their families can enjoy a day of rest. We believe that it is by God’s grace that Hobby Lobby has endured, and he has blessed us and our employees. We’ve not only added jobs in a weak economy, we’ve raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our full-time employees start at 80% above minimum wage.

Now, our government threatens to change all of that. A new government healthcare mandate says that our family business MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our health insurance. Being Christians, we don’t pay for drugs that might cause abortions, which means that we don’t cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception, something that is contrary to our most important beliefs. It goes against the Biblical principles on which we have run this company since day one. If we refuse to comply, we could face $1.3 million PER DAY in government fines. Our government threatens to fine job creators in a bad economy. Our government threatens to fine a company that’s raised wages four years running. Our government threatens to fine a family for running its business according to its beliefs. It’s not right. I know people will say we ought to follow the rules; that it’s the same for everybody. But that’s not true. The government has exempted thousands of companies from this mandate, for reasons of convenience or cost. But it won’t exempt them for reasons of religious belief. So, Hobby Lobby and my family are forced to make a choice.
With great reluctance, we filed a lawsuit today, represented by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, asking a federal court to stop this mandate before it hurts our business. We don’t like to go running into court, but we no longer have a choice. We believe people are more important than the bottom line and that honoring God is more important than turning a profit. My family has lived the American dream. We want to continue growing our company and providing great jobs for thousands of employees, but the government is going to make that much more difficult. The government is forcing us to choose between following our faith and following the law. I say that’s a choice no American and no American business should have to make. The government cannot force you to follow laws that go against your fundamental religious belief. They have exempted thousands of companies but will not except Christian organizations including the Catholic Church. Since you will not see this in the liberal media, please pass this on to all your contacts.

Sincerely, David Green CEO and Founder of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.

The wisdom that comes from above is, first, pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, without uncertainty or insincerity. James 3:17

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Comments

  1. Margaret says

    God spoke on abortion many, many times. Read all the Scriptures about Molech….that’s abortion. He also said thou shalt not kill. It can’t get any plainer than that.

    • Johnny says

      I am sad to hear you don’t care about your employees. You are willing to close your business for this instead of offering your employees health care benefits? Do your employees know you make business decisions based on your religion in that you want to control their life? Don’t you have health care that offers the morning pill/contraception? Is this more because you don’t want your profit margins to be reduce? I assume you don’t have health care so I wish you luck in your health.

      • Dave Muckey says

        Nonsense. Perhaps you need to read 230 years of Supreme Court rulings. The Founders and Framers clearly saw the dangers in church/state commingling. I recommend readings on the Age of Enlightenment and the age of Reason to help you understand the era they lived in and the country they were creating.

        • Moses says

          Mr. Dave:

          I recommend reading the Bible. It is what God said. It not HL’s opinion, it is God’s Law. God’s Law is higher than mans.

          But then if you chose to not beleive the Law of God that is your perogative, but what after death…..
          …you must answer that, except I guess you already have.

          • April says

            Amen, and that goes for Mr. Johnny as well. Lord bless these folks for standing on Your word. Rebuke evil & put Your hedge of protection around them. Let them be a light to those who need one. Guide them, give them Your peace & help them Lord to do Your will. Amen

          • Ed says

            I agree 100% that this is wrong. But I also know that God said we have to follow the “Laws of the Land”. He didn’t say we can pick and choose which one’s. So I believe the Lord knows that we don’t agree with the decision, but are following the law.

          • Peter says

            Ed

            The government has give EXEMPTIONS to the law to others for a number of reasons from cost to whatever including “I do not want to for X reason”. The only thing is that “reason X” can not be religious reasons.

      • Carl says

        You resort to the type of tactics used by the leftists and humanists in that you say David Green doesn’t care for his employees. YES, he surely does and pays them very well PLUS providing insurance. But he doesn’t want to provide the ungodly Obama type that include the abortion pills. It is as simple as this: the federal government believes they have the right to force Christians to obey them rather than Jehovah God.

        • Barbara says

          This is not true. This has nothing to do wit Obama and more to do with the rights of a woman. I pray that you never get raped or drugged and have to carry a constant reminder of what has happened to you.
          rurx

          • Jackie says

            Nobody’s emotional well being … ( such as abortion) in cases of rape or anything else…is more important than a life or a soul of that unborn child..

          • says

            Imagine the womans soul and the child that she conceived from rape standing in front of God. Can you imagine God saying to the child. “You have to die because of what happened to her.” ? I can’t. :o\

          • Theresa says

            HL is not trying to take away a woman’s right to choose. They just don’t want to be forced to provide insurance that pays for things that go against their religious beliefs. They should have the right to NOT include the morning after pill, etc. as a part of their insurance package. Period!

          • Estelle says

            We understand that bad things happen everyday, but whoever said that you have to carry that guilt around for the rest of your life. We have choices in the world a lot of us just don’t make any choice and therefore feel we have to carry around excess baggage. The Bible tell us that a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. I agree with Hobby Lobby and I stand with them against government policies such as these.

          • Jennifer S. says

            What about the rights of the unborn woman you want to kill? Who stands up for those? The “cases of rape or incest” line is a miniscule percentage of abortion reasons, and a cop out. In those cases the baby is the only good that can come from the awful event. It’s God managing to send a blessing even after some worthless man tries to ruin a life.

            The government should not have to authority to make a private company go against their beliefs. Period.

          • Andrea says

            I have friends who waited years and years to adopt. why? one guess. why are so many babies being killed while so many couples sit and cry with empty arms?? it’s crazy!!

          • Kathy says

            Rape is a horrible thing but does anyone ever stop to think that maybe a child born through rape is GOD’s way of taking a horrible act and bringing something good out of it.

          • charissa says

            Seriously? Did ANYONE, ANYWHERE say that Hobby Lobby employees could NOT use the abortion pills???? Nope. Just that Hobby Lobby isn’t willing to pay for them. Guess what – they didn’t pay for them when these employees accepted the jobs, either. Nothing is being taken away from them by refusing to pay for abortion pills.

          • MD says

            Awful high image of yourself if you think YOU can create a child. Rape/Incest notwithstanding, God makes babies. PERIOD! Boo Hoo if you didn’t plan it that way. We all have things happen to us that we don’t plan. Many couples cannot conceive even though they try for years. Think about Mary getting pregnant back in the day. If anyone had an excuse, she did. What if she had an abortion?

        • Skulander says

          BTW, the Affordable Care Act doesn’t cover the “abortion pill” but plain birth control.

          When will anti-woman, antichoice folks quit lying?

          • Dah Hembree says

            amen.. I use to work for an insurance company. You can’t buy a policy to suit you. There are several offered, that have to do with doctors, copays, etc.. but not what is covered. So all policies cover birth control and medical abortions.. You can’t pick one that doesn’t. If the policy covers it,, just don’t get it. I don’t understand the fuss. Agree with you.

          • Dave Lambers says

            @Dah. All health policies do not cover abortions. Mine specifically calls out abortions as NOT covered.

        • Dan says

          I am sick and tired of self-centered liberals spouting nonsense about the “rights” of the woman……there should never be a “right” to kill a baby because having the child is inconvenient……there may be a couple of circumstances only, for example to save the Mother’s life. Having an abortion as a matter of birth control will always be a choice of murder.

          Hobby Lobby is a great employer and they should not be forced by a corrupt government to provide for abortions against their religious faith, it is not about money.

      • Brenda says

        Did you even read the article? They provide health insurance, and pay really well for a retail job. They care very much about their employees. The only thing they don’t want to do is provide contraceptives that cause abortions, like the morning after pill. No where does it say they don’t provide contraception. And yes, their employees know that they make business decisions based on their religion. Hobby Lobby is, and always has been a very open religion based business. I have known since the first time I set foot in the store that it was run by Christians, with Christian principles.

          • christine says

            Nedlum, you really should do your research. Everyone knows that the morning after pill causes abortion not prevents fertilization.

          • Kath says

            Christine, you really need to do your research. Having worked in sexual health education for 15 years at a leading women’s hospital, I can tell you that the emergency contraceptive pill can work one of two ways. Either a fertilized egg is unable to implant and continue to develop OR ovulation is delayed. There is no way of knowing which way it will work, so calling it an “abortion” pill is inaccurate. And since early miscarriages happen more often than is reported, that makes god the biggest abortionist of them all. Having beliefs is one thing. Forcing everyone else to act in accordance with your beliefs is no different than sharia law. Denying employees health coverage for the reasons they give is just plain wrong.

          • Jeramy says

            Well Christine, I’m a doctor, and you should do your research.

            Pregnancy doesn’t happen right after sex. That’s why it’s possible to prevent pregnancy even after the fact. It can take up to six days for the sperm and egg to meet after having sex. Emergency contraception pills work by keeping a woman’s ovary from releasing an egg for longer than usual. Pregnancy cannot happen if there is no egg to join with sperm.
            You might have also heard that the morning-after pill causes an abortion. But that’s not true. The morning-after pill is not the abortion pill. Emergency contraception is birth control, not abortion.

      • Ross says

        Johnny, I see you and the government are imposing your “religious” faith on believers in Christ. Every soul has faith in something or they would not get out of bed in the morning. You have chosen to put your “religious” faith in Secular Humanism/Evolution. Men ,who are either dead or dying and in their graves or going their, wrote those books and you put your “faith” in them that they are true. You and your government “stifle” any open discourse with your media control. Your “faith” has resulted in your “moral” choices in life. Your god appears to be “money” and “self”.
        Jesus/God is not too worried about you and your government, but He did come down and attempted to save you because He loved you so much that He paid for all mankinds sins with His Precious Holy Blood.
        We all are hopless and helpless without Him.
        He changed me from a practicing sodomite, whoremonger, adulterer, thief, liar, hater, etc. to a “new creature” in Him.
        AKA a poor wretched sinner saved by GRACE and desiring to serve Him by obeying His moral laws out of “LOVE’ not by “mandate”.
        You, Johnny will be before Christ and be “judged” according to your deeds.
        Nothing will escape Christ’s/God’s record of you.
        Every thought, word, deed and motive will be on your court docket at the White Throne Judgent if you don’t repent and get “saved” or “born again”.
        All your arguments are with God/Jesus Christ, not with David Green.
        I will convert to your “faith” when you produce the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ. It should be quit easy according to your “faith”.
        http://www.chick.com would be very beneficial for you.

        • Mags says

          “Every soul has faith in something or they would not get out of bed in the morning. You have chosen to put your “religious” faith in Secular Humanism/Evolution. Men ,who are either dead or dying and in their graves or going their, wrote those books and you put your “faith” in them that they are true. You and your government “stifle” any open discourse with your media control. Your “faith” has resulted in your “moral” choices in life. Your god appears to be “money” and “self”.”

          YES! YES! YES!

        • says

          Kath, you stated that “the emergency contraceptive pill can work one of two ways. Either a fertilized egg is unable to implant and continue to develop OR ovulation is delayed. There is no way of knowing which way it will work, so calling it an “abortion” pill is inaccurate.”

          I would just like to ask one question. In embryology, what is a fertilized egg?

          • Klyph says

            A fertilized egg is called a zygote. The depolarization caused by sperm penetration results in one last round of division in the egg’s nucleus, forming a pronucleus containing only one set of genetic information. The pronucleus from the egg merges with the nucleus from the sperm. Once the two pronuclei merge, cell division begins immediately.

            The dividing zygote gets pushed along the Fallopian tube. Approximately four days after fertilization, the zygote has about 100 cells and is called a blastocyst. When the blastocyst reaches the uterine lining, it floats for about two days and finally implants itself in the uterine wall around six days after fertilization.

            SIX DAYS. So your fears of the morning after pill being an abortion pill are laughable. It is not a baby.

            This is now my fourth attempt to respond to a post on this topic. Let’s see if it gets blocked as well.

      • says

        My grandson was born 6 weeks early, per their new way of calculating gestation. I was told by NICU at University Hospital, Baltimore, MD that per OBAMACARE they had the right to keep that baby in the hospital until he was full term. This baby was 5 lbs 14 oz and 18 inches long and drinking FROM a bottle when they shoved a tube down his throat and took him off bottles completely to justify keeping him. I called him “our little Gitmo baby”.

        OBAMACARE is ot FOR anyone but the SYSTEM it feeds. Are you aware that OBAMACARE has instituted the RFID implanting of infants at childbirth and some states are already trying to implement that.

        People need to wake UP to what is going on our country. Have you looked at socialized medicine in the UK or Canada?

        I strongly suggest you all do some research into the facts that have been well sought out and documented by many.

        To make this about religion is ridiculas but to deny the PROPHECY and seeing it come to pass is STUPID, uninformed and uneducated.

        KUDOS to David Green CEO and Founder of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc. for being stong enough in the Lord to stand up against this removal of our rights and freedom. Why must we support MURDER, homosexuality and goddess worship?

        Ask yourselves why can you bend your knee before any “god”, speak the name of any “god”, worship any “god” even satan but not honor and love the Son of God Jesus Christ who carries the only name by which man can be saved?

        Are you ready for the world wide Economic Collapse that will most likely usher in the cashless society and the RFID requirement for every man woman and child?

        Were you aware that in 2011 Louisianna banned Cash for sales at flea markets, yard sales, Goodwill, and Salvation Army thrift stores.

        You all need to quit arguing about stuff you really have not looked into and take some time out of your lives to find out what is going on around you.

        Do you really think Hitler killed only those of Jewish descent?

        Have you looked at the side effects of the HPV vaccine? Why if it is to be required by the time kids start school are they trying to squeeze it in at child birth? Research how many REPORTED cases have been proven to be linked to this garbage.

        Wake up PEOPLE!

        • Alfred says

          Jen, I don’t know where you seem to get all these “facts” especially about Louisiana banning cash sales at flea markets, yard sales, and Goodwill stores, but you really show your stupidity by posting such idiotic lies.
          I live in Shreveport, LA…I buy from flea markets, Goodwill stores, and yard sales DAILY and pay with cash. It’s amazing what some people will post on the Internet before checking FACTS.

          Jim

          • Tori says

            Alfred/Jim & Jen,

            I, too, live in Shreveport, LA and have never heard of this banning of cash. I shop at yardsales, flea markets, and goodwill all the time! Why would cash be banned? That makes no sense!
            I agree that you should check your facts first.

          • Billie says

            There are thousands of laws on the books in all states, as well as the Federal Government, that are not enforced (until it suites them to do so).
            I would suggest that you are ignorant of your own state laws, and YOU should do some research.
            As for Doctors and Hospitals only doing what is necessary, why then are there so many cases where a patient is kept in the Hospital for no apparent reason up till the day their insurance runs dry?
            As for Obamacare, there are over 2000 pages of rules that are still not completely understood, and this law allows them to make up more rules as they wish.
            You Liberal Progressives want to argue over murdering a baby and making me pay for it,
            when you should look at what you have released from “Pandora’s Box”.
            Just wait until it is your turn to have your medical treatment refused by the “15 member board” that is now in place to review weather or not you are worth the cost to keep you alive.
            You petty little Progressives want to tell me how to live and how I must spend my money, just wait until it is your turn to be stabbed in the back by your creation.

        • Theresa says

          Jen,

          Evidently you also have no idea about the health of your grandchild. NO PHYSICIAN would ever insert an NG tube into a new infant unless it was medically necessary. That baby must have been aspirating more formula into his lungs than into his stomach. Aspiration pneumonia in newborns will kill. Thank the doctors and nurses for caring for your grandson. Don’t assume or make up reasons to justify your dislike of “Obamacare”.

          As for the ridiculous statements about Louisiana not taking cash for transactions is just someone passing on rumors from someone who knows absolutely nothing about a specific situation. People assuming things will make you look like an A$$.

        • PutPut says

          You are certifiable. Nobody has banned cash. You say other people are stupid and yet you talk of prophecy? And of course Hitler didn’t just kill those of Jewish descent, anyone who took a history class knows that. Just because you are ignorant doesn’t mean everyone is.

      • Sally says

        I am sure the employees know of the religious beliefs of the owners when they choose to work there. If they really think they need the morning after pill or another type of abortion, then they can pay for it out of their own pocket.

      • Darla says

        Johnny, you have it wrong. Hobby Lobby HAS health care. At the home office in Oklahoma City they even have a clinic on site. They deduct the cost out if your pay check. They have a pharmacy on site. They have excellent health care. What mr. Green is opposed to is paying for the morning after pill. So do I. Why should I pay for someone else’s bad decision. If you have sex with out protection that is your personal choice. Why should I pay for it? I don’t expect someone else to pay for my bad decisions.

        • aaron burns says

          When heart disease or cancer kills you don’t come to me talking about “I don’t expect someone else to pay for my bad decisions.” Moronic statements like this are all your side really have. like your shouting “just cause you got a vagina you need to suck it up and deal with it” fu

        • jac says

          i agree, why should we pay for someone else’s bad decision. no more healthcare for fatties, smokers, people who get into car accidents (it was your bad decision to drive), type 2 diabetics. have a heart attack? too bad, it was your choice to eat that fried pork chop. hurt your back lifting a water bottle at home? too bad, shoulda stuck to tap water.

      • Donna says

        What part of “THOU SHALT NOT” don’t you understand? It’s God’s word over anything. I think they should stand up for Godly principles not fold!!! Prime example: the 3 Hebrew boys. The authorities told them to do something against their beliefs. They refused. Long story short, the authorities agreed with the 3 Hebrew boys.

        • Pat says

          @Donna They can stand up by lobbying for birth control to be removed from the law. That would be way more effective. But instead they are going to take their money and run? It’s too bad your not in support of the 21000 employees what will be unemployed and on Obamacare anyway.

        • Jim says

          Those in the “thou shalt not” crowd, I wonder what your stances are on the death penalty? On most of the wars our country has fought? On allowing fewer restrictions on businesses allowing said businesses to reduce safety for workers and consumers to the point that lives might be threatened…Are you consistent with your morality?

      • Rob says

        Did you even read the article? They already provide quality health care to their employees. They merely want to abide by their conscience and not be forced to provide coverage for drugs that kill babies.

      • says

        It is very sad that this “Christian” is so willing to put 1000′s of his employees out of work without Health Care for them and their families. How can you say you’re a “Christian” and destroy so my families because you don’t want to provide a future for them. You’re using God as your excuse so YOU don’t have to loss YOUR profits. Millions and millions of dollars. Shame on you! May God forgive you.

      • rusureuwant2know says

        Apparently they already provide health care – the government is wanting them to include abortion, which is not “health care” at all – it’s murder.

        • Phillip Bell says

          Your beliefs about abortion don’t coincide with the law. The laws of your God are not necessarily the laws of other people’s God(s). Right now, the law says abortion is legal, and that companies shall provide healthcare. Owners that can’t abide those laws should close their business.

      • Loran Osborne says

        Like the idea of following your religious beliefs in business or not, it is an ironclad fact that workers at the HL or any other American business are VOLUNTEERS for profit. This is not a state-run or state mandated business, it is one of the Rights guaranteed not only by the 1ST AMMENDMENT, but also by the Reservation of Rights not allocated to the Federal Government REVERTING TO THE PEOPLE. If you are reading what the original post is saying, they are STATING that if their current filing is unsuccessful, they will close their doors because they are practicing what AMERICA WAS FOUNDED UPON, the ironclad adherence to beliefs! Please do not make oversimplifications like “you do not care about your workers” or “you obviously don’t have health care” people, unless you have first-hand knowledge complete with evidence you would like to share with us? I for one applaud this company for remaining true to its founding principles.

      • says

        Hey Jonny you obviously didn’t read the article where he says they do provide health care for employees. Their plan doesn’t cover items that would be against there beliefs. It think that is a decent compromise, provide decent wages a good work environment & health insurance minus one aspect.

      • Billie says

        Hello to All,
        This blogs comments are all over the place, and most are
        inappropriate.
        Yes, I actually spent several hours reading all of it.
        You people argue over minutiae, and ignore the real issue.
        It seems that you people do not know the difference
        between:
        a right
        a need
        a want
        a desire
        If you WANT something, then pay for it.
        You Have No Right To Make Me Pay For It Just Because You WANT It.
        Oh, you say you NEED it. Really?
        Then it must be the first thing on your list to pay for.
        The beer, the pop, the snacks, the new car, all come after it, right?
        I Have No Obligation To Pay For YOUR STUFF,
        and neither does Hobby Lobby ! ! !
        Hobby Lobby Already Provides Its Employees
        With Health Insurance.
        They HAD No Obligation to do this,
        in spite of what You think.
        Hobby Lobby has done more for its employees than many other companies, and has done so for many years.
        You can NOT Really find any fault with Hobby Lobby.
        .1. By what right does one person, group, or government tell someone they MUST BUY something, anything?
        The government bailed out GM.
        So how about they pass a law that every American MUST
        BUY a GM car this year, or be fined , 1000.00
        to support GM.
        Not the same thing as health care? How so?
        Everyone NEEDS a car. I NEED a new car, so
        YOU SHOULD BUY IT FOR ME.
        .2. By what right does one person, group, or government
        tell someone they MUST BUY something
        FOR SOME ONE ELSE?
        I NEED a new car, my 1995 van is old.
        YOU MUST BUY IT FOR ME.
        .3. Obama-Care is the law of the land? NOT TRUE !
        Obama himself has broken his own law by giving
        exemptions to the groups he likes.
        Unions, Congress, certain companies, and more…
        Just What Kind of Dictatorship are we living under?
        Obama himself has broken the law, and should be in
        prison.
        Slavery was once -The Law of the Land- ,
        even though it was wrong.
        .4. A Law applies to Everyone Equally, or
        it is prejudicial and invalid.
        The constitution actually specifies that laws may not be
        Preferential, and the Supreme Court has agreed with this.
        So, I submit that either:
        A. The exemptions are invalid and illegal – or -
        B. The Law itself is invalid and illegal,
        and ALL must be given an exemption.
        A policeman, a politician, a president may NOT
        pick and choose to whom a law applies.
        A DICTATOR of course will do this, to advance his agenda.
        He has to -Pay Back His Friends- , right?
        If you exempt one company or group,
        then you must exempt them all.
        .5. Nothing is free, and the government has no money,
        except for what it TAKES from the people, you and me.
        (even the poor are taxed by Hidden Taxes few seem to know about)
        We now live in an -Obama Clause- age,
        give-me give-me give-me.
        What are you going to do when Santa Clause dies?
        America is dying people, don’t you get it?
        The government screws up everything it touches.
        Santa Clause IS DEAD.
        The Elves are borrowing from China.
        Soon, you will have NO Health Care at all, and no gasoline,
        and no food or water.
        Soon, America Will Be a 3rd WORLD NATION.
        Look, the Super-Super rich have their underground
        bunkers, and years worth of food, water, and ammunition.
        They hope you riot, kill each other, and die off.
        Like Detroit? Not even A 3rd world nations city now.
        WHY? BECAUSE YOU ARE NO MORE THAN SLAVES
        TO THEM.
        SO, while You people argue over minutiae (BS),
        and ignore the real issues,
        you loose your freedoms and your REAL RIGHTS,
        one by one by one…
        We are going back to Slavery.
        YOU WILL BE SLAVES TO THE GOVERNMENT.
        MANY OF YOU ARE SLAVES ALREADY!!!
        Even our Learned constitutional ignorant expert
        Dave Muckey will be a slave.
        He thinks he is exempt, a smug elitist.
        So Go Ahead and argue your minutiae.
        Billie

    • Bob says

      If David Green believes his people are so important and government so intrusive. Then why doesn’t he stay the Hell out of the personal lives of his employees. If they choose to use birth control (for free under Obamacare) then that’s their OWN PERSONAL CHOICE AND LIBERTY!!!! NOT HIS!!! These Evangelical Hypocrites kill me

      • Jackie says

        That is precisely the problem in America today… people follow their own laws and are so worried about their own rights… that people forget that the law was written for us from a God who is good and loves us!

      • Scott says

        Bob……did you use FREE and Obamacare in the same sentence. Do you really think it’s FREE? I feel for you and your children.

    • Melinda Moore says

      Here’s the problem, Margaret. The laws of the United States are based on our Constitution, not on the bible or any other “holy” book. If Mr. Green wants to pretend that we live in a theocracy, he can do so at his own peril.

  2. Margaret says

    Jesus said BEFORE I formed you in the womb, I knew you. God knit us together in our mother’s womb. There is no scientist who can explain DNA. God is the creator. If only God can create life, who are we to take life away through abortion? If abortion is a woman’s right, what right does the fetal/baby have?

    • Jeramy says

      So sick of Christians picking and choosing verses that are convenient for the moment but choose to ignore all the other ones. Isn’t it your God that said no one sin is greater than any other?

  3. Dave Muckey says

    Literally, you are correct. But you choose to ignore years of writings from Madison and Jefferson as well as two hundred plus years of Supreme Court decisions that quite clearly support the concept of the wall between church and state.

    If Hobby Lobby wants to do business in our secular world, the they are bound by our secular laws.

    • Sharon says

      I’m not eloquent about things, but you do NOT understand separation of church and state; as much of the country does NOT due to anti-god propaganda….that was about the COUNTRY NOT having ONE religion ruling…there are MANY STATES who have mentioned in their state constitutions of a particular religion they adhere to, but NOT the FEDERAL government. Christianity is a GENERAL religion and that is what the COUNTRY was founded on, christian principles and ideology, but that is not a SPECIFIC religion. Do the research on what it REALLY means and why mentioning the CHRISTIAN Founding Fathers in the argument as violating church and state is INVALID.

      • Sharon says

        I meant to say not one specific CHURCH…because Christianity itself is a religion…sorry for the confusion.

      • Dave Muckey says

        I have studied our Constitution extensively. No place have I ever read an interpretation like that, Sharon.

        You are free to practice your religious beliefs. You are NOT free to have them codified into law.

        I am also not “anti-g_d” I am pro secular.

        • NevadaSteve says

          Dave,
          You must not have studied very hard. Virginia had a state religion, and there were others. It wasn’t until after the Civil War that things changed. The whole ‘separation of church and state’ was intended to protect the churches from the state, not the other way around. That is the interpretation that anyone with two brain cells to rub together has had since the beginning of this country. For the last 40 to 50 years liberals have been picking away at this obvious truth and trying to substitute their incorrect interpretation. Fortunately this isn’t ‘Mythbusters’ and you aren’t Adam Savage and you can’t “reject your reality and substitute my own.”

      • Dave says

        This country was not founded by pilgrims escaping religious persecution to start a christian nation. Read a history book. (Preferably not one produced in Texas) This is completely baffling how people still honestly believe this when the information is readily available at all times of day on the internet.

        • Thomas Jefferson says

          Did you really postulate that we should believe something simply because “the information is readily available at all times of the day on the internet”???

          Well by all means my naive little lemming, feel free to believe everything you read on the internet. That will put in the same class of stupid as all the other anti-Hobby Lobby mouth breathers lambasting the owner of the company and those who support him.

      • Melinda Moore says

        Sharon, it doesn’t matter what the states say. They cannot legally write religion into law, even on the state level, because federal law trumps state law — always. If you don’t believe this, I would suggest that you read the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution. It clearly states, “…anything in the laws or constitution of any state to the contrary NOTWITHSTANDING.”

    • Tami Musgrave says

      To Dave Muckey
      You forget that this country was founded on CHRISTIAN principles and beliefs. The separation of church and state was to keep the government from interfering with Americans practicing their faith. Secular society is what UNBELIEVERS want for America, not what America was originally founded for.

      • Jazzmine Standing Tall says

        … this country was founded on CHRISTIAN principles … after destroying the indigenous peoples of the Americas that called this country their country. America was founded by destroying the beliefs of the people that were already living here, and by destroying those people as well. What goes around comes around.

      • Melinda Moore says

        Sorry, Tami, but that is a common misconception. This country was founded on the principles of the enlightenment, when dogma was rejected in favor of reason.

        To quote Thomas Jefferson, “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.” As the Treaty of Tripoli (treaties are a part of the law of our land) states, in Article 11, “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…”

    • Vicki L. Stanley says

      Thank you for such a clear and educated response to this article. You nailed it on the head as far as I am concerned. The “church” is being forced to be inclusive, something God has been asking them to do for hundreds of years.
      One thing that really concerned me about this article was that I saw it on Facebook and the author qualified it by saying any negative response would be deleted and blocked. This is NOT the American way, and especially not Christian, to silence others’ views.

      • Dave Muckey says

        Most of my responses HAVE been deleted. Their “Key Captcha” is also reporting almost all posts as failing their tests.

    • Janine says

      If you read those writing by our founders, they clearly meant it to be a means of keeping the government out of religion, not religion out of government. Your version of seperation of church and state doesn’t even exist in the US Constitution. Look it up.

    • Janine Burton says

      And you, sir, are ignoring the fact that those writing very clearly are talking about keeping government out of religion, not the other way around! It is for the express purpose of not allowing the government to establish a state religion and not allowing the government to force people to do something against their religious beliefs. Your concept of separation of church and state doesn’t exist in the US Constitution or in any of the writings of the founders. Look it up.

      • Dave Muckey says

        The Wall between Church and State is well covered in US Law. May I offer that you should Google the “Separation Clause”? The legal writings are extensive on the topic.

        • June Marie Avery says

          Sir – Thomas Jefferson first used the words “separation of church and state” in reply to the Danbury Baptist Church who wrote him while he was President with concerns about the establishment of a possible state religion. He assured them our Constitution had built a strong wall between Church and State. He assured them that the government would never interfere with the practice of religion. We, as Christians [don't know about you practicing secular humanists], were encouraged to participate in our government. The wall was never to exclude God or religion from being involved in government, but to reassure the congregation of Baptists in Danbury that their religion was safe from the government.

          • Dave Muckey says

            You have willfully ignored my suggestion to do your own independent research. To assist you and the other revisionists commenting on this topic, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
            and, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause

            There you will find the basic refutation of your contention that the “Wall” is porous in one direction. You will also discover that there is no future in ignoring the precedential decisions of the Supreme Court. Nor is there any future in selectively quoting (or misquoting) the writings of the Founders and Framers.

          • Loran Osborne says

            Dave Muckey, you are aware that no self-respecting institution of research or higher learning would ever allow you to support a claim, hypothesis, or debate point on the shaky, reader-edited and usually questionable media content that is wikipedia, are you not? Many professors, liberal AND conservative, posit with AUTHORITY that wikipedia is nothing but an overblown press kit written by conspiracy theorists and Sunday readers. Which category do you fit in, sir?

      • Eric G says

        A wall separates both sides from the other – Your description allows religion to infiltrate the govt. If you think that’s true then consider if Catholicism infiltrates the govt and decides that Friday no meat should be served (again). The govt then passes a law that no meat can be served in schools on friday – or any other govt facility. Perhaps, even restaurants.

        The church has influenced the govt and the govt is now taking away YOUR rights and imposing another religion’s tenets on YOU. Doesn’t that contradict your porous wall argument ? “not allowing the government to force people to do something against their religious beliefs.”

        It’s a wall – not an option

    • June Marie Avery says

      Gee, in biology, cell walls are designed to have “selective permeability.” Wikipedia as a reliable source? Please! I have read extensively from the writings of our founding fathers. While many were deist or possibly agnostic, they heartily supported the rights of any man to follow his own religion. The Declaration of Independence, written primarily by Thomas Jefferson, begins with “… are endowed by their CREATOR …

      There is a distinct difference between “rights” and privileges. Our current administration is portraying their idea of health care as a “right.” Please tell me where that is found in any of our founding documents.

      Oh, I know, I must be stupid because I believe in God…

      • Kath says

        Really? You don’t believe that every human being has a right to medical treatment? That’s rather harsh and unchristian. Perhaps there was no mention of health care in the founding documents because they had no clue as to how far science and medicine would advance.

  4. Dee Peterson says

    To Whom It May Concern:
    I am proud to see there are still people who will stand up to this %$#@ government of ours. I hate to see the store close if it comes to that, but I totally agree with what they are doing. Congratulations, David Green. GOD BLESS!!! We need more people like you.

  5. Larry Schulz says

    I am behind you 100%. I am outraged at the fact the government is making people, that can’t afford insurance, buy it anyways and the policy they will receive won’t cover anything. Our government no longer cares about the people! Every year they take more of our so called freedoms away from us, where does it end???

  6. Skulander says

    Uhm, sorry but the bible was written by men, real men, made of flesh. Decades after the facts, with all the distortion it implies.God\’s word? No, hardly. Your god isn\’t any more real than the earth is flat.

    • Joann says

      Atheisits believe in magic. The faithful believe in a higher intelligence. Atheists believe that a complex and intricate universe and a planet supporting life just “poof” happened, or evolved out of nothing, whereas the faithful recognize that a higher intelligence must have been behind it all. Humans can’t even create a blade of grass.

      • Skulander says

        Fundies believe in magic. They believe the earth is 6000 years old when clearly it’s not. They also believed the earth was flat well into the 20th century.

        Atheists believe in science. And science tell us how grass is made (and yes, humans CAN make grass since the kind of grass currently in most lawns is the product of a “natural” genetic evolution by humans, by decisions they made about which plants should be crossed by which. No magic involved. But science.

        Fundies can’t stand magic. It freaks them out. So they resort to magic to comfort themselves. It’s kind of sad, actually.

        • says

          Magic? Really??? Let’s see these scientists made their grass without using what God created for them to mutate it from.

          I find it really sad that “tolerance” is preached from every public venue through out our nation. When it’s towards them, we have to have it, but when we ask it from them to respect our faith, it’s non-existent, and how dare we even expect it.

          This used to be a country that you could own a business in, and employ people that you thought fit for the job.

          This used to be a country where we understood that the very word “democracy” meant the majority ruled. Funny, how now, it’s not the majority that rule, rather the 1 or 2 % that are offended by the majority’s beliefs. We were taught in school to accept majority rule, it taught us – gasp – learning to accept things that we didn’t like – to not pout or throw a temper tantrum when we didn’t get our way. That’s not being taught anymore – we now, not only expect “tantrums” from “offended parties” – but we give in to them.

          I can’t convince anyone that there is a God. I can tell you that I know Him personally, have a very real, personal relationship with Him, and have seen Him act in more ways that you could imagine in my life.

          This man is making a choice to stand up for something that he believes in. For all of you that are “flaming” him for it, you seem to be perfectly happy with your freedom to do so. Is that any different? No, but you justify it because you are “offended”.

          If more people had the backbone that this man has, we would not have gotten into the predicament we are in now as a nation. I will continue to support this business until they close, if they are forced to do so.

          • Skulander says

            Fundies are really quite something, aren’t they? Believing in non-existent entities, using magic, pretending a little man in the sky created everything while disregarding hard, fact evidences from science… Really, they’re kind of cute.

            Sorry to break it to you, but there is no god. Each of us is responsible for making the best out of this world. So no god. Just plain, hard work from individuals. I told you: I don’t believe in magic.

            This IS a country where people can make businesses in. And business owners, including Hobby Lobby, can certainly chose which employer they deem fit to work for them. But businesses also MUST comply with the law. The law now significantly improve the lives of EVERYONE, including women, by making contraception (among other things) available. That doesn’t mean people are forced to use it. Women are, of course, most welcome not to use contraception. But the law is the law. And the law is based on facts and logic, and what’s best for people, for society as a whole. The Affordable Care Act in this regard is a significant step forward for ALL individuals.

            Why is Hobby Lobby so against healthcare for its employees? So against measures to significantly improve their lives and well-being? Why does Hobby Lobby care so little about the people who work so hard for the company? This isn’t about beliefs. This is sexism and misogyny.

          • Linda Gatza says

            Well spoken, Beth. If I had written this, I couldn’t have said it any better. Our God is so BIG and awesome we cannot comprehend, and yet so few in our country can see Him and His majesty now. How He must weep that we have allowed this great nation to fall to this. But yet, He knows all things and has foreseen our downfall. I fear for our future as things like Obamacare and its subsequent legislations take their toll on our once proud American nation.

        • Theresa Easley says

          Can atheists prove God doesn’t exist? I don’t think they can. Also, the ones that are complaining would probably react the same way if their beliefs were being trampled on.

  7. Barbara Hagen says

    Pro life issues has been a controversial subject for many years in this country. Hobby Lobby has been consistent in their Christian beliefs from the beginning of their business so finding a way to facilitate them providing health care and not compromising the standards that they have held fast to for so many years should be a feat worth striving for. Our country prides itself on freedom and welcoming others of different beliefs, let\’s continue to strive for that goal.

  8. Adi Puckett says

    I love your store, but more importantly, I love that you are standing firmly on your principles. I believe that no matter the outcome, God will not allow you and your family to fail. I will submit a prayer request to my church family on your behalf. Stay strong and stay blessed.

  9. Aggie Veld says

    I hope you don’t close. You’ve provided jobs and a wonderful environment for folks to shop in. Just listening to the music when in the store is a blessing. I was listening to Busted Halo with Father on Sirius radio (a Catholic station) – though I’m not Catholic, and Father Dave addressed the awkward feelings a man was having attending the wedding of his male cousin to another man. The advice was insightful – Fr. Dave suggested that while attending, in some people’s minds was endorsement of the arrangement – it does not necessarily mean that you condone the New idea of marriage between same sex individuals. He suggested giving them a book on the true nature of Christ, while loving – as well as a book that teaches what Jesus taught to be the sacraments that cannot be altered by man. If you have to contribute to funds to causes that you do not endorse – at least you can still minister to folks by the Spirit filled environment you provide in a dark work and through the believers that you hire, as they minister to the hurting in their daily acts of stocking shelves, discussing projects and helping others celebrate the moments God has allowed in their lives.

  10. denise messier guarnera says

    I am glad that you are keeping to your reliougos believes to many people do not follow the christian way of life. I hope this works out as i feel you are doing the rite things.

  11. ron steward says

    Yes the bible was written by real men, but they were inspired by God and the Holy Ghost. I am sorry you don\’t believe in the Bible but the OWNERS (key word) of Hobby Lobby do and it is their right to run their business according to their beliefs so long as they aren\’t breaking any laws. Just as you have a right to NOT believe in the Bible. If you don\’t agree, you don\’t have to shop there but the great thing about the owners of Hobby Lobby is that no matter how you believe, you will be welcomed into their store and treated just as nicely as anyone else.

  12. My Reason Jesus says

    I love the fact that they are closed on Sundays…I so wish that Joann’s was. I have worked for Joann’s for almost 7 years now and I miss when I do not get to go to church. I feel weak for the whole week! I love your store…you have something no other store these days has. You honor our LORD…

  13. Shannon says

    So because they are making people get health care that some people may or may not buy the morning after pill you are going to lay off thousands of people? You do realize your employees can go to the pharmacy and buy them now using the money YOU gave them, right? You could just hire men. They won’t ever use the pills. This is just about how messed up your reasoning is.

  14. Jessica says

    So you are contemplating putting 21,000 of your workers out of work because you don’t want to allow women to have the choice whether or not to take certain medications? Seems to me that if your entire company thinks as you do, then there shouldn’t be a problem because no one will opt in to take those certain medications anyway.

    Control freak much? Honestly. Who are you to decide how your workers, all adults and free citizens, choose to deal with medical matters?

  15. DonaMila Taitano says

    Its a great burden to be a Christian in America. The nation that is supposed to be free. Lord, Bless this family that they may find a solution that allows them to remain prosporous in order that they may continue to employ without defying Your law. Amen

  16. Aaron says

    While I understand your religious beliefs, to which you are entitled, I find it upsetting that you would be willing to fire everyone you employee rather than providing them with insurance while you fight this battle in the courts. Have you not considered the repercussions of sudden unemployment on your employees?

    • ron steward says

      Can you imagine believing in something so strongly that you would be willing to die for it. I cannot speak for Tom Taylor but I do believe I know how he feels. I myself could not live with the fact that I was helping murder babies. You can call it what you want but I call it murder and I believe Jesus considers it the same. It breaks my heart to think that my tax dollars goes toward murdering babies or as you call it, abortion or to be even more polite, a choice. Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods so I will give to Caesar and what he does with it is on him. This man would rather go out of business than support it. I admire that, and if he made any other choice, I wouldn’t want to work for him anyway. I hope someday you are passionate enough about something to understand this. I also pray that someday you will find Jesus. Then you will truly understand.

  17. zymurgist says

    “Speak Your Mind” the comment section says – well, I did. And then the obtuse moderator of this article saw it fit to delete my comment regarding how the owner of HL is threatening the closure of his stores under the guise of moral/religious beliefs. However, we all (at least us logical thinkers) know it’s really because he doesn’t want to have to provide comprehensive healthcare due to the added costs. If that doesn’t go against Christian values, I don’t know what does.

    I’m sure this one will be deleted as well…

  18. Abby says

    I applaud you for taking a stand for your beliefs. Far too many Christians have stood silent too long and allowed the secular beliefs of some to mandate our choices. I, personally, enjoy shopping in Hobby Lobby and would hate for it to close. In the end, it is not what others think of you, but that you choose to serve God and follow His word. May God bless you with a victory.

  19. says

    Ok GOD speaks and most people listen. In the 10 commandments though shall not kill is a mistake of man: What did GOD tell His nation to do after crossing the Jordan River? Check with your pastor and ask him what the oldest manuscripts say about the word \\\\”kill\\\\” . rendered to English you will find the word is really murder. Not Kill. Check it out!

  20. Frank says

    The problem is that it can become a very slippery slope to exempt organizations based on their religious beliefs. I grew up in a church that taught it was a sin to see a doctor, a dentist, or any other medical person, it was a sin to so much as take a sip of pepto-bismol or to even use a lotion with lanolin in it; so if the guys there that owned construction companies or towing companies had their way they would say no medical insurance because one must trust God not man for healing. Should companies whose owners do not believe in seeking medical help such as extreme Pentecostal or Christian Scientist owners be exempt from providing any medical insurance?

    • says

      Frank, there are many that add to God’s Word, Jesus dealt with that in His time on earth, sounds like you were in a church that did just that.

  21. Gwen says

    This is a great decision to make. Fighting for what is right is what God calls us to do. During this trial, stand upon God’s promise in Psalm 5:12.

    Surely, LORD, you bless the righteous; you surround them with your favor as with a shield.

    Because you are doing with God says is right, his favor will surround you in the trial. Your store will not have to close. God wants to be able to keep blessing your employees and customers. Stand on his promise and watch him move.

  22. Eric says

    “As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion …” Guess who wrote that and when.

    The good thing about science, too, is that it works whether you believe it or not. These so-called “abortion pills” and the like don’t cause abortions. Simply. Full stop.

  23. says

    What you obviously doesn’t understand is that while YOU have the right to live your life as you choose, you does NOT have the right to control other people’s lives. And that is what your “Christian” principles are doing to your workers. You know, even if you are “right” and God gets angry at these people for using birth control, shouldn’t that be between them and GOD?

    You’re setting himself up as a “god” to say that you have the only path to righteousness. …Isn’t Pride the deadliest of all of the sins?

  24. says

    Bravo to you for standing up to this total intrusion into your right to religious expression and this trampling on your freedom. The federal government is too big for its own britches and they should be immediately de-funded and shrunk back to the era that they did not run programs like this and are unable to get involved in things like this. The poor comments about this fail to take into consideration that YOU own the company, NOT the employees and YOU make decisions, NOT them. You should be able to decide if you want to hire non-christians, if you want to surround yourself with non-christians and even refuse service to non-christians. Even the military has a conscientious objection rules for non-combatant status for those who object to fight. So, let me get this straight…you can refuse to kill for the government because of religious objections but you cannot refuse to support health care that would kill an unborn child?

  25. Chris Simmons says

    In Leviticus 19:11 (ESV) it is written… “You shall not steal; you shall not deal falsely; you shall not lie to one another.”

    Myth: Emergency birth control pills cause abortion.

    Fact: Emergency birth control pills are not the same as the abortion pill and do not cause abortion. Emergency birth control pills will not affect an existing pregnancy. A woman is not pregnant until a fertilized egg implants itself in the wall of her uterus. Emergency birth control pills cannot cause abortion because they prevent fertilization and have no effect on an implanted egg.

    I am a Christian. I believe that God created me, and that His Son Jesus died for my sins. And because I am a follower of Jesus, I am called to speak truth. Hobby Lobby’s CEO is twisting myth into fact, and that is totally unacceptable from a man claiming to be a follower of Christ.

    It’s simple and it’s clear.

    • Mike says

      Chris,

      Not sure what Bible you are reading from, but please see the scripture below and pasted above. A Christian believes God’s Word not what men say. Have you seen that pill work? And what is the fruit of that pill when it causes the fertilized egg to not implant (which is abortion by the way). God knew us from before the heaven and earth were created and that includes that fertilized egg. The fruit of that pill is fornication, adultery, sexual predators abusing children, and lastly us trying to control our lives and live them the way we think they should go, rather than allowing the blessings of God when and where he chooses. None of these things are the fruit of a Christian but of the flesh and wickedness. Please examine your own heart.

      God could just as easily kill each of us in judgment; however it is the blood of Jesus Christ and the grace and mercy of God that puts off that judgment and paid for our sins so we can be forgive and become sons and daughters through adoption by the new-birth.

      Isaiah 44:23-24 Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done [it]: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. 24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

      • Eric G says

        Yes – we have seen the pill work and HOW it works. An unfertilized egg is expelled.. just like every other month that the woman has her period. OR a fertilized egg doesn’t implant – just like 25 to 35% of EVERY fertilized egg without any help from any pill.

  26. Kyle says

    Jessica, David Green has not stated that all of his employees believe the same as his family does, or that they are not able to take post-conception birth control. It sounds like he just doesn\’t want his company\’s health care to provide them. His company would be enabling behavior that is against his beliefs, and willfully enabling something is basically the same as performing the act itself. For example, people are charged as accessories to a crime because they, in some way, willfully enabled the crime to occur.Mr. Green should not be made out to be a tyrant, or a control freak just because he doesn\’t want his company to PROVIDE these medications. The employee is still free to go and spend their hard earned cash (paid at 80% above minimum wage) however they want.

    • Darrell says

      Kyle, well said. All these accusations about David Green and his company wanting to control other people’s lives is just baloney. He simply believes that he and his family or board of directors should be able to control their own lives and the business that they have built. Nothing prevents his employees from getting any ‘services’ that are legally available in the market place; he simply does not want to pay for them. This argument about not providing “health care” demonstrates a convoluted view of both the facts of the situation and about the role of the federal government according to the Constitution. Sad to say, it is a widely held distorted and ignorant view.

  27. says

    I will pray for your success in the court system, but sometimes God will test us about how much we are willing to give up to obey and follow Him. Sometimes you have to cut out what hinders a Christian life. I have purchased paint from your store in Savannah, GA, and appreciate your stand for the faith you have in Jesus and will understand if you are forced to close the business completely if necessary to obey God rather than man.

    Calvin T.

  28. Shelly says

    Good for you Mr Green! Standing up and making a sacrifice for your values as you are doing is so rare. Would Hitler have gained so much power if more of the German people had taken a stand? Am I making an extreme comparison? if we just keep going along with principles that demoralize, little by little, we could be led down just as extreme of a path as history has shown us.

  29. Jean Shepard says

    I praise God for a company who bases their business goals on Biblical prinicples, who cares about their employees and treats them well and provides every possible benefit for them.
    The government has no business telling you what you can or cannot do regarding health insurance, Christian principles or anything else. I applaud your willingness to stand behind your convictions and uphold your principles. I also applaud your willingness to stand up for your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and your willingness to “obey God rather than man”.
    Our government needs to re-read the constitution and begin abiding by it. I pray that you will not have to close, but if you do, I pray that ALL your employees everywhere find as good a job, or better, as they have now. May God bless and strengthen all of you.

  30. Barbara says

    I must say I am very sad that Hobby Lobby is hiding behind the government. I understand your beliefs as I am a Roman Catholic as well. However I have been taught not to throw stones you have no idea why they may need this medicine. I am speaking from experience. My 14 yr daughter was raped and we were contemplating abortion as once she realized that the threats of a punk would not come true. Fortunately she kept my grandson and he has been the best thing ever. Hobby Lobby think long and hard as a Christian are you in a place that you can judge the woman who might need it. Not only that you stated that you take pride in your employees yet you are threatening to put them all out of a job due to a law that should be there. Who are you to say that a woman can not have the choice to do what they need to with their bodies. I am truly disappointed especially since I love Hobby Lobby. grmi

    • David says

      Mr. Green, please remain firm in your beliefs opposing our evil, fraudulent government. Barbara, Hobby Lobby in no way is standing against any woman’s rights. We respect life and oppose paying for those who do not. God will judge us all.

    • Adam M. Burleigh says

      Reply @Barbara:
      Roman Catholic you say.. Aren’t you supposed to believe in the ‘Holy Bible’? So look up what your bible says about abortion, taking a life. Taking a life usually means killing someone. Killing someone these days means murder. If you believed in your bible as you say you do you would not be saying what you are saying right here. You are accusing someone who is supposed to have the same beliefs as you do of not giving what mother’s need, which is a way to end a life to make those “needing” that medicine feel better in life. You believe in the bible right? So according to your bible, your god should be there in love and support during all your hard times. Yes, ok, rape is an unspeakable horror that no one should ever have to go through, but if you believe what you say you believe, then no consideration for an abortion should even be thought of as you are supposed to pray to your god for help, understanding, and peace. You also say, “Who are you to say that a woman can not have the choice to do what they need to with their bodies”.. He’s not forcing them to use the insurance he provides. You can decline his insurance and go with your own policy with a company that has no problem taking lives via abortion. And keep in mind here, he’s going to court to try to fight this so he doesn’t have to put an end to so many jobs. Obama, the government, is trying to force him to take actions that are 100% against his beliefs, and according to your bible, against your own beliefs. As I’ve stated on my own post below, I am NOT a christian and even I can see what is going on here, by Obama/the government trying to force his hand against what he believes in, is 100% WRONG.

  31. says

    I don’t see how anyone can find the bible to be pro-life. God kills millions of pre-borns and children and He specifically orders the slaughter of pregnant women.

    EVEN IF the required contraceptive coverage occasionally ends a viable pregnancy, IT WILL lead to fewer abortions by preventing unwanted pregnancies.

    ACT OF GOD terminates 5 times as many US pregnancies as act of Man.

  32. says

    Every post I have read has failed to address that this is the government staying out of religion. The government is merely protecting citizens from the tyranny of buisness. If I were not Christian, and wanted to get a tattoo, it should not be frowned upon or blocked by my job. This was merely an example. Abortion, in some cases is life saving. I am pro choice with limits. That means I stay the hell out of people business unless the are using it like an extra Birth control. I respect a business. Based on morals, but believe it ludicrous for it to make decisions for its employees and use there jobs as the wager.

  33. Adam Templar says

    There are many incorrect statements in this “posting”.
    a) Obeying the lay is not something which you choose to do IF your religious beliefs happen to align conveniently. The law applies to all (except the rich with lobbyists of course) .
    b) The other really sad indicator of the author’s mindset above however is that final note threatening in advance to delete any posts which do not agree with them. How sad. How very small-minded, and how overall generally pathetic.

  34. Progressive Christian says

    I call your bluff, sir. Go ahead and close your stores. You may be relatively generous with your US employees, but you have profited handsomely by selling Chinese goods that were cheap due to low wages and poor working conditions in China. Nothing Christian about that.

  35. Angry Pagan says

    Okay, I get this man has every right to his Christian beliefs, that is fine. However, how can he say that he has final say in what the health insurance will and will not cover?!?! Honestly that is ludicrous. If he was a Jehovah’s Witness would he then say if you are his employee you cannot have a blood transfusion? or an organ transplant? This whole thing is a ploy to take a stab at American freedom.
    I’ll vote with my dollars and stop shopping Hobby Lobby, I didn’t care that they were a Christian Company until all of this crap started. Now for this man to say he will close his stores rather than offer healthcare that covers a woman’s gynecological needs? Um yeah, no thank you.
    This Wiccan will stay away.
    I have nothing against the Christian Community as a whole, it is Religious Tyrants like this that assume they have the right to make choices for women that make me turn against individual Christians.
    I shake my head at all of it.
    OH! And Quit Blaming Obama for EVERYTHING! He got voted in, so someone obviously wants him in office! He’s a heck of a lot better than Bush ever was, he spent the past (almost) 5 years cleaning up the HUGE mess Bush made! And whoever steps in next will reap the benefits that he is now sowing.
    Get over it!!!

    • Fae says

      Thank you! To add to what you said, not all of his employees are christian. I am pagan and was thinking about getting a job there. One of my really good friends works there, and I know he’s not christian. So while David Green is trying to say the government is forcing their rules on him, he’s forcing his rules on everyone else. So what makes him so much better?

      • Myron says

        What makes him so much better is that he has made all the capital investment to build this business with his principles. You don’t have to like them, agree with them, use them in your personal life. You do have to honor them in the workplace and for that, you get paid. You have no risk, he has it all, and always has. What makes him better is that when the government forces him to compromise his values, he can close his doors as fast as he opened them. And, I hope he lives by his principles.

  36. Alfred says

    I know for a fact that most of your employees at Hobby Lobby are part time and have NO healthcare. You also buy almost all of your retail products from China, made by Buddhists from YOUR buyers\’ directives. You also import these products in huge volume quantities then you mark them up at highly inflated prices. Then you falsely advertise these products at 50% off \”regular\”(fake) price almost daily yet still making a huge profit on each item due to your falsely inflated original retail price. You\’re a corporate capitalist hiding behind your religious disguise. How about stocking your stores with American made products made by American Christians Mr.Green rather than the cheap Chinese Buddhist-made junk?Alfred

  37. Nate J says

    I can’t believe that anyone thinks it’s a good idea for a business to be able to tell you what medical services are or are not covered by your insurance. To me that is a very scary precedent to set. Stop and consider for a second a scenario where Christianity is not the predominant religion, would you be as eager to allow religion to influence the law of the land.

    Another point that I think gets overlooked is no employee of Hobby Lobby or any other business is required to take any form of contraception, only that it is available and covered if the employee so chooses. I absolutely believe that the rights of the employee should trump those of any business every day.

  38. Bonnie says

    I have ALWAYS respected Hobby Lobby because it is a Christian store. I love that they are closed on Sunday so their emplooyees can observe the day of rest. I love listening to gospel music within the store. I have never spoken to an employee that didn’t love their job there…now that’s saying something! I agree with David Green about not honoring anything that goes against what God says. God does say that it is better to obey God rather than man. Mr. Green, I salute you, and I will be praying for you. Remember, God is in control!

  39. Dawn says

    Hobby lobby is a good Christain business. If this business was Muslim or another non Christain business there would not be this issue. Yes I do believe dictator Obama is behind this.

  40. Adam M. Burleigh says

    United States of America, free to choose what you believe. WRONG. The owners of this company are being told they can not run a business they own because of how they believe. I am NOT a christian and even I can see this is wrong. Those working for Hobby Lobby, if you do not like the insurance you get from them (or don’t), you are more than happy to choose to go to another insurance company that supports your own beliefs. Every company has pro’s and con’s when you begin working with them. At that point you are given information about what is included and what is excluded. YOU then have to make a CHOICE whether you want to live with the con’s or not. So every person that is employed at Hobby Lobby understood what they company believes in BEFORE they begin working there. The owner should be free to run his company to what he believes in. Anyone working there that believes differently, you knew it BEFORE you started working there. Get your own insurance. Easy fix.

  41. Maryam says

    As a Muslim I agree with not funding cosmetic abortions. Islamically only in cases of rape, incest, and the mother’s health is an abortion deemed a viable option. I believe Hobby Lobby should weigh the benefit of closing and the benefit of allowing health care for their employees to consist of an abortion option. Which will God be more pleased with. Thousands of employees laid of or the possibility of an employee using the abortion coverage? May God always shower guidance and mercy on all of humankind.

  42. Jeramy says

    Sounds like someone should have opened a church instead of a craft store. You wanna play business in America, you play by corporate rules and regulations. You want to be all spiritual stay your ass at home or go run a church. Pay your taxes, don’t be cheap. Welcome to 2013, where your religion has no place in the workplace. Talk about pushing your religion on others. Remember the people that work for you are not your congregation or your “flock of sheep” and you certainly aren’t God. So I please urge you….close your stores, let me know when the clearance sales are, and then I can tell everyone that your prices are now the same as all the other craft stores in town. I know you seem to be greedy with prices that high…hmmm…just like a church. Hey just think if you open a church you won’t even have to pay taxes!!!! How Lucrative for you.

  43. Leah says

    Kyle & Darrell, well said to both of you! I think these are the most unbiased statements on here. If his employees feel they need those medications they can be obtained nearly free at planned parenthood. I don\’t blame this man at all for not wanting to provide such medications when they are readily available elsewhere.

    • Crystal says

      I’m 100% certain that this man isn’t a PROVIDER of any medication. If his employees are such devout Catholics, then they won’t be getting the birth control anyway will they?

  44. Linda Messick says

    Just wondering what companies the government exempted from having to offer coverage for abortion, birth control, etc.?

  45. David says

    It’s no burden. You are free to practice and worship as you see fit. Let’s keep this simple. Do not judge when others choose to do the same, rather they worship differently or do not worship at all. I promise to create no burden for you if you create no burden for me. Christianity on so many fronts has worked to force it\’s beliefs on non-believers and other religions, dismissing them as if they are not valid. We all choose our beliefs, please don’t impose yours on me and I will return the favor.

  46. Skulander says

    There is no God. Therefore God couldn\’t have spoken on abortion.\”God\” couldn\’t care less what women do with their own bodies.Not your body? Not pregnant? Sorry: not your choice.

  47. Crystal says

    Sad that you’re going to cause thousands to lose their jobs over your own ignorance and bigotry. I hope you never sleep well again, and instead lay awake thinking about all those employees you’ve screwed over.

  48. FFRF supporter says

    “The government can’t force you to follow laws that go against your beliefs?” Oh really?

    Because I think the Mormons would beg to differ. See they have this thing called polygamy that they claim is part of their religion. Guess what? THAT’S AGAINST THE LAW. So they have to screw that part of their religion because the government said so.

    And I find it funny that you are harping on about YOUR freedoms being violated, and yet you don’t seem to give a rats ass about OTHER PEOPLE’S freedoms being violated by YOU. This isn’t some agonizing decision you’re making. This is you being a selfish and conceited individual.

  49. David says

    I respect your beliefs. They are not my own because I am a proud Atheist. But pushing/forcing your beliefs on to your employees is wrong. You have no right. You may be christian and what not, but many of your employees are not. My mother works in house keeping in SW OKC at one of your distribution centers and she agrees as well that it is wrong what you are doing. Thats all.

  50. Annemarie says

    What would Jesus do? From what I remember, he healed the sick and the poor. Why anyone would say that providing insurance for all is unchristian is beyond me.

  51. Day says

    Too bad that Mr. Green has forgotten that God is the only judge – and that he is no closer to Him than the rest of us peasants. Feel free to close your stores, as customers our options are endless.

  52. says

    Fae,UM…its his company! He can fire you or hire you. If you don\’t like his rules move on and get a different job. Why do you feel that he must bend to your will? It is you who wants him to pay you for your time and energy to support his business.He is NOT forcing his rules on you…only if you choose to work for him! Don’t like them…move on!For some reason people are beginning to believe in entitlement…just like you. You think you are owed something. You may be owed Liberty, Freedom and life but your certainly not owed a job, a nice car, a home, food on the table etc. That is up to you to work for…want to make your own rules? Make your own job and company! It really is that simple.

  53. Jana says

    Has it occurred to you that the passage of Obamacare is God’s way of telling you that you should no longer be in business? You said “it is by God’s grace that Hobby Lobby has endured.” It seems logical, if Obamacare is going to put you out of business as you claim, that God is probably behind this as well.

  54. Char Keeling says

    Hi, my name is Char Keeling,
    I have just read every single statement, I was saddened to see no questions about the women that have had abortions. Maybe they are not important, maybe you haven’t thought about them; maybe we are all too busy shouting at each other. My hope is that anyone that reads this, maybe we can find an answer in love, think outside the box, and stop being so mean to one another.
    Sadly I know more than my share of ladies that has experienced such a nightmare, because I am one of them. I was young, and naïve. I already had 3 small children, and in a place of uncertainty. I found myself pregnant. Who would understand? A girl at work told me I could go to plant parenthood tell them some lame story and they would give me the money and set up the appointment. I did and they did to the T everything she said they would do. This person took me to the clinic up north I was shocked at the age group of women. It was stone cold silent. No one looked at each other in the eyes. Still I went on, they called my name. I went in; Doc said he had to give me some kinda shot. No problem I thought. He said, “See ya in 2 hours. I’m thinking this is a piece of cake. No in fact the worst of all nightmares was right around the corner. It was to late, I had to go through with it. No one told me the truth about what I would see, hear, and feel, no one told me my emotions, guilt and self worth would be smashed.
    I was going to committing suicide my mother came to my door 7:00 am. Long story short she got through and I got saved. I couldn’t handle the guilt, shame, and nightmares. No one tells you how you might hear the baby crying. No one tells you the TRUTH. Every single person that has gone on to have an abortion after sharing with them the TRUTH has come back in tears. They could not believe the horror that I spoke about, at least not till it was too late.
    So is the morning after pill abortion? Let me answer it with another question. If you have sex and you take nothing afterwards let nature takes its course, could you become pregnant? If you take the morning after pill, with you determining the outcome what would be the chances? TRUTH no one tells you that after you take that pill you start thinking, “What if I was pregnant.” For every choice, for every decision there is an outcome, no matter what. There are 2 deaths more often 3. The woman that dies inside, the daddy who dies a silent death, he too has no choice. Then the un-seen, un-speak able horrible death of the baby. The dreams of having a family is gone away never to be for these 3 people. My abortion was over 28 years ago. I often wonder, if I hadn’t made that choice, if I hadn’t chosen to belief it was a cakewalk, if I had known 2 hours ahead of time to what I faced the 2 hours later would I had gone through with it? Not a chance and those that have talked to me say the same thing. Not one person has ever come back and said, “It’s my body, I will do with it what I want, Man that was so much fun.” The morning after pill is the same; there is another pill they want you to believe is safe, it’s one you take if the morning after pill does not work. It’s one that puts you into labor, o yes, Obama care does in fact want business to pay not just for that pill, but all stages of an abortion. WHO’S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE GIRLS, LADIES AFTER THEY FIND OUT THE TRUTH THE HARD WAY? THAT IS WHY THERE ARE SO MANY IN THE CLOSET, YES THE CLOSET…. We need to speak the truth as loud as those that speak only what they think you want to hear.

  55. Tina says

    I am impressed that you are allowing comments contrary to your own opinions. Maybe there is hope for you.

    There is a lot to be learned from the words, LIVE AND LET LIVE. As in, allow your employees the rights our nation has decided they should have. I am sorry you do not agree with what the nation has chosen, and you are free to exercise those rights, it’ll just cost you a lot of money in fines to try to impose your will upon others.

    Can’t say I feel sorry for you having to go out of business. You are not living the golden rule, you are trying to control others, and the world at large is making it difficult for you to continue this practice. There is a god!

  56. Jody Roblyer says

    Providing health insurance is just the provision of it; it should never be about how to limit it. The government was placed in a situation in which they had to ensure that the health care that businesses provide doesn’t discriminate against any employee. A business does not have the right to refuse to pay for any kind of health care or prescription drugs ordered by a health care provider. Period. God gave man Free Will. We each need to allow each other to exercise our Free Will for what is in our own best interests. You don’t need to agree with every decision anyone makes for themselves, giving them the Free Will they rightfully inherited by God is one of the highest rights bestowed and we all should be honoring and practicing that. Love your neighbor as yourself. Are you really doing that?

    businesses think they have to limit an individual’s freedom is deciding on and

    • Calvin says

      Yes He gave us free will, see how Adam and Eve used their’s? Just because He allows you to “chose” sin is NO reason to do so. Sounds like you need to draw near to God and He will show you what is right and what is NOT!

  57. Debra Farley says

    God says in His Word…if my people, which are called by my name will turn from their wicked ways, I will hear and I will heal their land. Christians…we are in this world but not of this world. God will honor these who keep his word. If Christians all across the country would turn to God and away from what is politically correct…there is no doubt in my heart and mind…we could save America. The Bible is my law. God’s desire is for all to come to know Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. If Jesus is your Lord, you do want to be obedient to His word. His love does provide all you need. All of us can see how dysfunctional our government is. They have taken away our personal freedoms…not given them to us. Jesus gave us true freedom. He loves us so much, that he died in our place…so we could live…so we could be free. I appreciate companies that put God first. God will honor Hobby Lobby and the Christian employees. Thank you God for your love and goodness. I TRUST IN YOU…You are the same yesterday, today and forever. I pray for our government and leaders…that they will know you. Most of all, I pray for my Christians as well as myself that we will all turn from our wicked ways and bring healing to America. Please pray and join with me in this.

  58. Rose Montgomery says

    I notices almost all of your replies agree with you…. you must not trust the people you hire to do the right thing.. other wise this law would not apply to you. You are sacrificing peoples lively hood for your personal beliefs.. shame on you.

  59. Liberal, but (mostly) agree says

    I am liberal. I am pro-choice. However, I personally could not get an abortion. I believe it is wrong. Coming from that place, I completely understand not agreeing with the morning after pill and other pills of that nature and I also completely support someone who chooses not to take one under any circumstances. That being said, just the same as you don’t want to be forced to do something you don’t agree with for religious reasons, it’s not fair for you to force others to follow the same beliefs. You can provide the insurance while never utilizing that yourselves. You cannot discriminate against your employees or potential employees based on their religious preferences (nor ever ask them what their religion is, or if they follow a religion at all) so you almost certainly have non-Christinan employees working for you- and perhaps they DO need/want these benefits. And they have a right to them. Providing the insurance is not going against your God any more than living in a world of temptation makes it God’s fault when you sin. No, it’s your own sin. And it would be your own employee’s sin that they will/will not answer to when they die. Instead of seeing this as a personal choice, you see it as your responsibility to force others to follow your own belief systems and would rather close down your stores leaving families without income, insurance, and the benefits they had grown used to (family time etc.) in an economy that will leave many/most of them unable to find alternative employment and what they do find will likely be fast food or other minimum wage jobs. That’s not what God would want.

  60. Pat says

    So in other words let\’s put 21000 people out of a job? Not because we are not running a good business but because we disagree with Obama care. So what good are they doing, saving lives? Not really. Those 21000 people will have obama care regardless giving them access to abortion causing drugs. So in the end Mr. Green you are only hurting those who you claim to care about by putting them out of a job. Mr. Green, Sir you are an idiot!

  61. Debra says

    The only control at issue here is government control. Our traditional respect for freedom of conscience and 1st amendment rights are all but gone now. A private individual has no obligation whatsoever to provide and subsidize a so-called benefit that violates his/her conscience. To compel to do so is tyranny. There are any number of organizations who are happy to provide that cover. Maybe some of those who support elective abortion benefits would be happy to contribute to said organizations. Life is precious, and sometimes requires that we make tough choices. I applaud and support the Green family and their choice in this matter.

  62. Christine Mitchell says

    Mr. Green, I do hope that you and your family do not ever NEED health assistance from the government. I see that you are an elderly man. Do you need a knee replacement? I guess your own insurance can foot that bill. I certainly hope you do not use Medicare to get one, because I happen to think that old men with little regard for their employees should not have surgical procedures funded by the government. How’s that for arbitrary pronouncements? Do you make all of your employees sign a contract saying that they subscribe to your religious beliefs? If not (and it WOULD be illegal to do so), you have no right to keep them from government supported insurance. You are the perfect example of the Puritans who founded this country. Know-it-all, hypocritical, and close-minded. I’ve been looking for the ideal reason not to ever set in your stores again. Thanks for giving it to me. Oh, yes, could you keep those stores open if you did not get everything in them from China? You’re a real American.

  63. Patricia Arnquist says

    It will be very sad to see so many people out of work… It will be sad to see such a wonderful store, I was just at a week ago go out of business.
    But as a Veteran of the US ARMY it is a decision I support. You have a right to fight for your religion and what you believe in…. KUDOS in many ways to you, yet very sad for your employees who will not be with work and rely on the pay check.
    Knowing you are not the only company that will go out of business once this takes form… There is going to be a huge back lash from this, there will be more Americans without work.

    • Calvin says

      Patricia, your message is very well written and your feelings well stated. Thank you, not just that you support them as I do, but that you have stated it with true feelings and especially for those that will be harmed by the decision of closing even though you understand why they may do so. I just wanted to say- KUDOS- to you. :)

  64. Linda says

    I applaud you for standing for what is RIGHT…. Don’t worry about when others ridicule you…. Remember they ridiculed our Lord and many others like Daniel… 3 Hebrew Children for taking a stand and not CONFORMING to the ways of the Government…. As long as you are doing the WILL OF GOD…. you will face the devil’s tactics of trying to destroy you and your business…. Who knows what the Lord has in store for you and your family? If it means a NEW CHAPTER in your lives…. then there is nothing you anyone or anything can stop that from happening… :) DON’T BOW!!! Thank the Lord for those who didn’t and we still have our FREEDOM because of it…. Praying for you and your company to be BLESSED by the Lord and to be able to STAND IN THE GAP for all those companies that are afraid too… <3 And for all of you that have something bad to say in what I stand for…. :) All I can say is… YOU HAVE YOUR FREEDOM TO DO SO NOW…. BUT IF YOU START LETTING THE GOVERNMENT DECIDE HOW YOU RUN YOUR COMPANIES NOW…. IT'S YOU AND YOUR FAMILY NEXT!!! And I wasn't yelling…. just like to make my letters bigger when I'm talking TRUTH… :)

    • says

      Well said Linda! I totally get how you capitalize words to make a point; the problem with digital communication is it loses all sense of emotion that can only be conveyed through speech.

      Your post reminded me of my favorite verse – Romans 12:2. :) And I commend you for holding strong to your faith, something that will always be a struggle not only for me, but for all of us.

      Would you do me the honour of reading my letter to David Green on my blog?

      http://beccale.blogspot.com/2013/09/to-ceo-founder-of-hobby-lobby-david.html

      You are totally FREE to speak your mind too ;)

  65. sue says

    is’t HL a private company? shouldn’t they be allowed to provide whatever insurance they can/chose to employees? Separation of church and state refers to not allowing the church to run the government but not that it shouldn’t have rights under that government (that it for so long has supported.) I am insured by a simular insurance plan. when my daughter needed hormone therapy in the form of “birth control pills” to treat medical problems
    she was covered by the exceptions clause that allows for such if accompanied by a letter from the doctor. We have some of the best insurance in the country and it is threatened by “Obamacare”. These companies being mocked are the ones I see taking extrodinary measures to care for their employees. Why is the government making it so hard to nye on impossible for them to continue? Don’t they want the employment numbers? ;)

  66. says

    First of all, why do Christians have to use opportunities like this to argue with EVERYONE? On topic, I am saddened to read this, but I would be sadder if this company succumbed to the bullying of the government. I am an RN student, and I am concerned for my future as they are trying to tell medical professionals that we must perform abortions or risk losing our jobs. However distressing these situations may be, we must stand on the Word of God and seek the leading the Holy Spirit. Then we must trust Him with whatever the outcome. I will be soooo sad to see Hobby Lobby sell, but if that is what the Spirit leads, then so be it. Is there any way around this? Perhaps you could incorporate pro-life literature in the hiring process and explain that you do not support abortion. It could also be a way to share hope and truth with others. Just a suggestion :) I will pray for your family to find courage and strength to follow any direction the Lord leads you in. And if you do close, please know that you will be missed!!! I almost can\\’t bear the thought of shopping at Walmart again for home decor :( God bless!!

  67. Patrick says

    I wonder why is it perfectly ok for people who are pro choice to force their beliefs on this company or anyone else for that matter but when he expresses his beliefs you make him to be a bad person who doesn’t care about woman or his staff?

    Why is it those who scream for tolerance of their views have non for views that differ from theirs? This is a privately owned company he has every right to run it the way he chooses and you have the right not to work or shop there. No one forces anyone to apply for a job there and no one forces them to stay if they don’t like the way he runs his company. I have worked for a company or two that I didn’t agree with the things they did and I left. I didn’t try to change them I moved on and found something that was more in line with my beliefs and morals. So instead of trying to force this company to bend to your views why not just mind your own business and let those who work for them decide what is best for them. If this is such a big deal people wont work or shop there and they will be out of business in short order. I am willing to bet they would weather the storm because all indications is they treat their employees very well across the board. At the end of the day what’s is more important than that anyways.

  68. Norman says

    It is amazing reading the selfish and nasty remarks by Liberals who are so incensed that some one who had taken good care of his employees decided to close the doors rather than violate the principles the corporation held dear. It goes to show who has no principles at all, in that they see it as their right to have what Hobby Lobby owns.

  69. John says

    This is a perfect example of the extreme right blowing smoke. “I’m going to close all my stores because Obamacare.” – I didn’t have to read the article, but I bet that is what it is about. This article fails to mention how plastering ones religious beliefs all over the place made people like me stop shopping there in the first place. AND right about the time you want to tell me that this is hurting business, look at a company like IBM. They are going to save MILLIONS because of Obamacare. They are going to avoid the tripling cost of care because of this law. How is this for competition? In January 2014, the Colorado insurance exchange for healthcare is going to have over 500 plans offered by more than 100 health insurance companies.

    My advice for Hobby Lobby: Close shop chumps! There are responsible corporate citizens who do take care of their workers – that is where my business goes.

    • Jennifer S. says

      If you had read the article you would know that Hobby Lobby *has* been taking good care of its employees: “We’ve not only added jobs in a weak economy, we’ve raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our full-time employees start at 80% above minimum wage . . .” as well as receiving health insurance.

      Obamacare is now also forcing Trader Joe’s, another notoriously good employer, to cut insurance for those who average under 30 hrs. per week, the very people who by their own admission primarily work there for the health care.

  70. pinky says

    what I don’t get is why is it soooo wrong to be responsible to NOT bring children into the world that should wait. I myself have never really wanted kids and not be a single mom raising one. i respect the guy for his devotion and etc but why is it wrong for employes of hobby lobby to be responsible?

    • Heather says

      They (the employees) CAN be responsible. On their own dime. It goes against the business owners’ principles based upon their faith in Christ that it’s wrong to kill innocent life, and that’s what abortion is. And abortifacient drugs too. Why should he pay for what he thinks is wrong? Just like you wouldn’t contribute to a crisis pregnancy center which has as its reason for being, to help expectant mothers who are facing an unplanned pregnancy, to raise the children that they are bearing, or to arrange for an adoption. (I say this plausibly you wouldn’t contribute, based upon your convictions that you have expressed, above.) Same for the family that owns Hobby Lobby! They shouldn’t be expected to pay for something they think is wrong!

  71. Ginger says

    Very well presented Mr. Green. I am a proud United States Christian, and I salute you for standing up for what you believe. If more businessmen, employees and citizens spoke up for the rights our founders initiated, or country wouldn\\\\\\’t be in such a shambles. For our voters to allow congress to destroy and damage what we as Christians have followed for centuries is disgusting! I applaud you sir! And, have a MERRY CHRISTMAS!

  72. Katie says

    It’s so sad that religion still rules people’s lives. Believe in what you wish, but seriously? You’re going to screw up so many people’s lives all because of religion? Where is screwing over all your employees in your bible? It’s really sad that religious people are the most judgmental people of them all.

    • Calvin says

      I’m sorry Katie that you don’t know Jesus, He would be glad to forgive you and open your eyes to the truth if you will just trust IN Him. Then you would know it ie God that judges not His followers- we only obey Him!

  73. Greg says

    So………….. you are saying you want a choice in the matter? You don’t want the government making decisions for you on personal and moral level? Sounds like you are Pro Choice to me.

  74. Andrew says

    Good will always surpass evil… Im sure this Business owner has done all his research inside and out to make a life changing decision like this. All it takes is to pick up a Bible and read it for yourself, even if you don’t believe in the words that are written. I’m a fan of common sense, and when I see things written in there warning us of what is going to happen in today’s world and see it coming true I listen. This Business owner isn’t where he is today dumb choices..

  75. Terry says

    To ALL of you detractors; since WHEN has it became a \\”right\\” for SOMEONE ELSE to pay for OTHERS mistakes ?! If \\”you\\” \\”get pregnant\\”, thats NOT an unavoidable \\”health issue\\”, like the flu ! I\\’ll bet the same people that say \\”so your gonna punish your employees instead of supplying them \\”health coverage\\”, are T H E same type of people that have made Detroit the \\”beacon of Americanism\\” ! YOUR MISTAKES are YOUR problem. Too bad your parents didn\\’t TEACH you that.\\”soundbite education\\” does NOT make one wise…

  76. Heather says

    Has any legal advisor suggested that you (Hobby Lobby) amend your business? To make it a not for profit 501c3 with the stores becoming overtly evangelical and the funds from the sales going to support missionaries or other evangelical functions. That way you could claim you WERE a religious organization. Possibly set up the foundation, then sell Hobby Lobby to it as a funding source? I don’t know if this would work but it could be considered!

  77. Rhonda says

    This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard! STAY IN BUSINESS…PROVIDE THE INSURANCE. If you are a Christian based company, promote Christian believes, probably hire Christian people…how many of them would actually choose to use one of these drugs anyway? You don’t make the drugs, you didn’t design them, your not making the decision to use them, and it ‘s not your place to judge those who do. Maybe you could take a poll of your employees….”How many of you would forgo the use of these drugs in order to keep your apparently GREAT paying jobs, continue to have health insurance for you and your family, continue to be able to put food on the table and a roof over your head?” Hmmm! And what about employees who have health problems or life threatening diseases who currently depend on the health care you provide or the income they receive….if you close your doors you might actually cause some of these people to loose their life. How is that any different?

    • Calvin says

      Yes, it is a story of the beginning of mankind, created by God- I assume you don’t believe God. I’m truly sorry for those that don’t since one day we will ALL face Him. Some to be accepted and other to be forever condemned. Why? Because they called Him a liar and tried to be their own god.

    • Mike says

      Marge,

      Adam and Eve is no story. We all come from Adam and Eve as they were the first man and woman.

      It is that unbelief in God’s Word that will be your doom if you continue down that road. Hell and the Lake of Fire await those that reject Jesus Christ in the world to come. That is not God’s desire as he gave himself so we could each be forgiven. As Eve chose to eat the forbidden fruit, you will choose your fate by choosing to either ignore what God has said of himself and of the affairs of this life or embrace it and believe God’s Word and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

  78. Cindra Delgado says

    You are threatening to close? Really? Just because you have to help pay for someone’s health insurance? There are many Christians who believe in birth control, that should not be an excuse for not supporting employee health care. That is just as bad! You threaten to take away good jobs because you don’t agree with the laws of the land. You are all rich now, so you can pull your money and be fine…..however, your employees are not. Minimum wage is not that high, and 80% above is still not living the high life. The people who work for you are trying to also follow the American Dream. I have shopped at your stores…. your employees do a great job for the most part. Don’t threaten to take away their dream because you don’t agree with the politics of an administration. You are a bully that is trying to make all your employees and everyone else who is struggling follow your ideals. Shame on you! Maybe I should find another store to shop at for my craft needs!

  79. Elise says

    I say more power to them! Go Hobby Lobby! As a business owner you should be able to offer or not offer certain things based on your religious beliefs!

    Hate to see stores closed because of this but if that’s what it takes! Fight the good fight and God bless!

  80. Grady says

    I’m sorry but in a capitalistic society (like the one we have here in America) if the market dictates a change and you don’t, but your competitors do, and you start losing business to the point that you close, then though!

    Hobby Lobby carved out a niche of providing arts and crafts to 45 year-old women, then the market corrected itself by losing the monopolistic grasp of Hobby Lobby, and in conjunction with a change in the procedures and practices of the market (in this case a government mandate) they complain that they are being unfair and picked on for their bigoted beliefs? You want to be a christian, fine, but don’t hide behind this cry that the government is being too tough on me, especially when you keep voting for representatives who would rather have a laissez-faire style economy…. people are so dumb in this country…

  81. Claire says

    This is all nonsense. They primarily hire Christians, right?? Well then, those people wouldn’t be using the contraceptives, etc. Why does the company care whether they have have to supply these things or not. If the people they hire won’t be using them, then they aren’t paying for anything. Perhaps they should put on their applications that if hired you will refrain from using contraceptives, etc. If they don’t want to pay for them, don’t hire people who will use them. Problem solved. God gave free will….If HL doesn’t want to hire certain people they don’t have to…however they also can’t hire JUST men :/

  82. Laura Hensley says

    Does it bother anyone that Muslims are exempt from the health care fines. Does it bother anyone that this healthcare bill is going to destroy our nations healthcare and that whether the MAJORITY of the US Citezens do not want this, it was crammed down our throats by a communist style leader. Does it bother you that while we have have homeless starving people that Obama flew his dog and basketball to where he was vacationing on the tax payers dime. It cost 180,000 dollars to do so. Does it bother you that he has spent more money than any American President ever! Wake up America, before it is too late. Turn to God because God will destroy America the way he did Sodomites if we do not stand together and turn this around.

  83. Phillip Bell says

    It’s sad that your family is so rich that they will never have to work in their lives. Otherwise they may have to actually have a boss of their own. Maybe the boss is a Jehova’s Witness, who won’t pay health insurance for a blood infusion that they need when they are sick. Maybe the boss is a scientologist who refuses to pay for mental health treatment when your family gets sick.

    You and your business are not there to play God. Give employees basic healthcare, and if they can reconcile an abortion with their God, it’s not your place to judge. You are running a company, not a church.

  84. Nancy Sliwinski says

    Whatever personal, religious, emotional beliefs are really do not matter in this matter. What does matter is that the government is trying to force people into doing what they want them to do, but at the same time on a selective basis. I really feel for this businessman who only wants to run his business his way. If you don’t want to work for someone who will not provide medical insurance coverage for the procedures/medications he has outlined then go get a job somewhere else. If you notice I have not stated my own personal beliefs on this matter, nor will I as my personal beliefs are not important in a matter concerning the basic rights of Americans to have a choice. The government will force Americans to accept and change rules and laws based on the religious beliefs of others, (i.e. the call to prayer bells in many cities, the wearing of religious head dress), yet they will not allow an American businessman the same in this matter. Now you tell me what is wrong with that? Selective government is the way our country is run, not a democracy as we are supposed to be. So please remember this whole controversy is really about our freedoms being compromised and take it from there. I fully expect to be ranted on for this, but that is o.k. as well. After all we are all entitled to our own opinions, thoughts and beliefs.

  85. Amanda says

    Hobby Lobby is my all time favorite store. As a Christian I admire the fact that you are standing up for your beliefs.

    Be blessed. I shall pray for you.

  86. Ruby says

    I don’t agree with your position on abortion, BUT I believe you have a right to it and to NOT have to pay for abortions of any form. I stand with you even thought I don’t exactly agree. I hope you win…I will pray for God’s will in your case.

  87. Brendon says

    It does not matter what you want to believe his motivates for. It is his company and he can do whatever he wants to do with it. If you do not agree with him don’t shop there or get a job there. We live in a wonderful country where he was given the ability to start a business and it has flourished. He attributes the growth of his business to his faith and he is now forced to either compromise a portion of his belief system or continue to fight a government mandate. Many of you want the man to “sell out” I applaud him for having enough conviction to go the distance with it.

  88. Jean says

    This guy calls himself a christian? He’s willing to shut down his stores just to make a point. How about making a point by thinking of your employees well being instead.

  89. Shary says

    I do not understand why anyone argues about this topic or tries to explain whether what he wants to do is ok or not. Regardless of your opinion of his beliefs the bottom line is that this is a private business and no one should be able to tell him what he can and cant do or has to do (other than not harming people ie. murder, poisoning, child labor etc). What if the gov’t decided that every business should only hire Asians that are no more than 5’5″ tall, have a size 5 foot and are no older than 25? Sound silly, sure, but theres nothing logical that says you should provide healthcare either. What if they said you had to provide a spa day or a psychiatrist? The point is people that they shouldn’t be able to tell you what you have to do when your business is privately owned, or even publicly owned but not subsidized by the gov’t. You think its ok that they take away the rights of business but what if it were yours & they made, mandated, that you do something they wanted that you didn’t like or were against? And this law says even YOU have to do something or pay a fine or go to jail. Come on, based on belief or simply disliked this law is unconstitutional and illogical and will haunt you in its direct effect on everything that happens from here on in America with respect to loss of freedom.

    • Michelle says

      Shary – you are exactly right that HL is a business. A FOR PROFIT business, not a church, or a non-profit. That means they need to follow the law. If you own a business but decide you don’t want to pay taxes, do you get to not pay taxes just because you don’t want the government to tell you what to do? Your argument is illogical and silly, at best. This law is not unconstitutional; it is the law, deal with it. Funny how you people think that only YOUR beliefs matter and that you should be able to do whatever you want while you tread on the rights of others that believe differently than you. People like you are the reason people were burned at the stake.

  90. Lauren bromley says

    Thank you David Green for setting an example and standing up for our rights as Americans. I love hobby lobby but I 100% support your decision if the government forces your hand. Good luck!

  91. Helen says

    Are you nuts? This company is not saying it doesn\’t care about its employees, it doesn\’t think it should be forced to provide for things they do not believe in. Isn\’t it strange the Muslims don\’t have to do these things…they\’re exempt. But say Hobby Lobby is not exempt for their beliefs. Nonsense. They want H.L. to close down, just like you\’re thinking. Just because the law says abortion is legal…GOD hasn\’t said it\’s legal. Who would you rather ignore? God or the government? I\’d choose the government also. This government will fall, God will NOT!

    • Phillip Bell says

      Try reading something other than the emails that your aging friends circulate, before you make asinine comments.

      Muslims are no more exempt than Christians. It’s sad that people like you want to judge Muslims for not believing in the same prophet as you (even if it’s the same God!). It’s sad that people like you want to say that Obama is a Muslim and not a citizen, etc, etc.

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp

      • Calvin says

        Phillip, it’s a shame you believe a liar like Obama. Yes it is true Muslims are not exempt, however they “don’t” believe in the same God. First theirs hate and force people to believe or die, read the quran and you will get a taste. As far as Obama, he definitely AIN’T a Christian, his life proves it! The way he supports the Muslims and makes light of Christians is the reason people say he is Muslim. BTW, Jesus wasn’t a prophet He was God in the flesh and is God today. He was the One prophesied about for hundreds of years before He appeared as a human here on earth, and He met everything that was said about Him, including His death- oh, He did that for you. :)

        • Phillip Bell says

          You wear your ignorance with pride. Islamic theology identifies God as described in the Qur’an as the same god of Israel who covenated with Abraham. Are you now saying that Jews have a different God than Christians?

          I did not say I believe Obama. However, prove that he has lied. You cannot. Prove that he is not Christian, when he has stated that he is, his Churches have stated it, his wife has stated it. Show an example of how he has given Muslims deferential treatment over Christians. Your assertion that Jesus was God in the flesh applies only to some Christians, not all, and does not discount the God of the Old Testament, which the Muslim and Jewish Gods are one and the same.

          Oh, and Harry Potter also risked his life to save the world from Lord Voldemort. I know it’s true because I read it in a book. You should thank Mr. Potter.

          • Calvin says

            You quote “people,” lets see what God’s Word says:
            John 1: 1-14, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

            6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

            9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

            14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

            Then there is (as so many more) :
            Luke 8:49-56, While Jesus was still speaking, someone came from the house of Jairus, the synagogue leader. “Your daughter is dead,” he said. “Don’t bother the teacher anymore.”

            50 Hearing this, Jesus said to Jairus, “Don’t be afraid; just believe, and she will be healed.”

            51 When he arrived at the house of Jairus, he did not let anyone go in with him except Peter, John and James, and the child’s father and mother. 52 Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing,” Jesus said. “She is not dead but asleep.”

            53 They laughed at him, knowing that she was dead. 54 But he took her by the hand and said, “My child, get up!” 55 Her spirit returned, and at once she stood up. Then Jesus told them to give her something to eat. 56 Her parents were astonished, but he ordered them not to tell anyone what had happened.

            Did Mohammad ever raise anyone to life? I’ll answer that for you since you seem to be so IGNORANT. No!

            Now there is only one of many places that states Jesus is God, and that through Him everything was created. So “the same god? Ok, lets see what Jesus (God) says about that.

            John 8:42-47, Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

            BTW- He was speaking to Jews!
            Now you can argue with the Bible- which is arguing with God Himself if you want (and that is what you are doing!) but it’s clear you don’t have any idea what a Christian is since you don’t know Who Jesus is!

          • Phillip Bell says

            Let’s see what my books say:

            “Sometimes it’s only madness that makes us what we are.” Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth (1989)

            “And when you’re sitting here alone in the middle of the night, unsleeping in the dark, remember — every breath you take you owe to me.” The Joker: Devil’s Advocate (1995)

            “Did I finally reach the limits of reason? And find the Devil waiting? And was that fear in his eye?” Batman RIP

            My books are available for you to read as well, and their existence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Batman is real and everyone needs to respect his word (or end up in prison). But Batman also never said abortion was wrong, so I’m going with him on this one.

            I did not cite “people” as my source. I did say that Abraham is the same person in each of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim faiths, and the God that Abraham worshiped is the same God in all three religions. Research “Abrahamic religions” – I doubt you will, you’ve already closed your eyes, ears and mind.

          • Calvin says

            Comic books- Hahahahahahaha.
            Just because the name Abraham are in all three religions DON’T make them the same.
            Don’t know why I am telling you this since it will fall on comic book ears, but- Jews and Christians know what the Bible says about Abraham’s son- Isaac and the Islamic (Muslim) believers change it to Ishmael- their first distortion of God’s Word. Like you trying to find a fragment within the Bible to prove a point, that doesn’t exist.
            Now, I will say this, I responded to you in the wrong manner last time, so I am sorry for calling you ignorant. But it is very clear in what you write you do not understand the Scriptures.
            Again a verse: 1 Corinthians 1:18-19, For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
            I can only pray for you Philip, that you come to the knowledge of and dependence on Jesus as your personal Savior, before it’s too late.

  92. David says

    Sheesh, you people.

    This isn’t about abortion, or women’s rights, or anything like that. It’s about religious freedom.

    The owners and their families hold a philosophical and moral objection to some things that the government is trying to force them to do. This very COUNTRY is founded on the idea of seperation of church and state, among other things. If they have a moral obligation against certain kinds of non-life-saving medications, they shouldn’t be legally obligated to supply them.

    You cannot legally mandate morality or ethics. It doesn’t work that way.

  93. jaiden says

    The ignorance in this post is blinding. The morning after pill wouldn’t be anything like an abortion. It doesn’t terminate a life, it prevents the sperm and egg from attaching, therefore it is no more against the bible than a condom. If you consider keeping the sperm to attach to the egg is still abortion, by the same standards every time you have a wet dream, masturbate, use a condom, ect. you are going against the bible to the same proportions as abortion.

  94. Ginny says

    Perhaps you should open your stores in Syria where they gas people for thinking differently than the government. God is of all people NOT just christians. God is LOVE not manipulation. I have shopped at your store for over 20 years and totally respected your christian values…NO MORE. So, go out of business and punish all your employees…sounds logical to me.

  95. Nancy says

    I just recently listened to an AMAZING attorney, and retired disabled veteran who spoke about this exact slippery slope america is on….and how we as sovereign states have lost all control of what has been given to us in our constitution. Her name is KrisAnneHall and I am not sure exactly what she could do to help your business….but I know she has amazing ideas and knows her stuff! She is probably considered a terrorist, because along with her extensive list of credentials, she is a Christian. I’m confident she would support your reasons for your decision. We need to retake back what is rightfully ours….and take the power from who is supposed to work for us!

  96. Amdy says

    OMG PPL! It’s not an abortion. Birth control and the morning after pill are as much abortion as male masturbation is. Go to your local pharmacy and ask to see the morning after pill, it says right on the box that if you are already pregnant the drug will have no effect because it does not terminate pregnancies, only kills sperm before they reach the egg. Hobby Lobby is full of shit. They’re using religion to hide behind being greedy. By their definition of abortion masturbation is murder, having sex with a condom is murder, using spermicidal gels is murder etc. Come on, I’m all for religious conviction but when you’re flat out lying to hide your greed you deserve what you get.

  97. Lisa Pilot says

    A new Hobby Lobby just opened here in Bangor, Maine and I was very excited to go check it out until I read this statement. As a Christian business I would think you would be at least as concerned about relieving all your employees of their jobs as you are about having to pay for their birth control. It is good of you to le the public know where you stand and whether you stay or go, you won’t be getting my business.

  98. Barry K says

    “… MUST provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs…” And therein lies your problem. Your belief. You wouldn’t want someone to tell you how to run your business, why do you pretend to know more than doctors and scientists who have clearly shown these drugs do not cause abortions? As far as I am concerned, you can go out of business. I’m fairly certain it’s safe to assume that all of the employees you hire aren’t practicing Christians. Yet you want to push your agenda on them. Comply with the law, or close your doors. It’s that simple. The truth is, you’re just another Republican who meddles in life from conception until birth, and then once out of the womb, you don’t give a darn what happens to your fellow man.

    • rachel says

      And how many times have scientists and doctors created drugs that were going to aid us and help us get better and they were positive about it yet they gave us other diseases, cancers, heart problems, diabetes, or killed people. Just because some doctor wrote on there “yeah sure its ok to take it wont kill an unborn baby” doesnt mean he was right or even telling the truth!!!! it has been proven time and time again that Phartmacuetical companies lie to make money you have NO way of knowing if this pill really is as safe as they say it is. and in the bible it says “i have known you before i have formed you i know the plans for your life and they will be great” so who is to say that you taking that morning after pill and killing that egg and sperm so they dont create an embryo wasnt destroying a creation for which God had already known and had Plans for!!!

  99. Rob says

    I think this is great – I am not a fan of Hobby Lobby or their policies – good bye to yet another evil corporation. After having a bad day, reading this has put a smile back on my face. The sooner they close, the better.

  100. Michelle says

    It does not matter what anyone\’s personal beliefs are in this case. The law is the law and Hobby Lobby is a for-profit business, not a church, and should abide by the law. Period. End of story. As a taxpayer, I don\’t like the fact that I paid for a senseless war in Iraq based on lies about weapons of mass destruction from Bush. But you know what? I didn\’t throw a temper tantrum and scream that my rights are being trampled. Just because YOU believe one way does not mean everyone else has to believe the same way. I am always (but shouldn\’t be) astounded at the arrogant, self-righteous, condescending, judgmental, so called \”Christians.\” You are anything but Christians. By the way, this country was NOT founded up Christianity. That is an outright lie and I\’m tired of hearing it.

  101. Ken says

    I love all the so called medical professionals commenting on here.. We all know a doctor wouldn’t ever lie to anyone… Doctors are worse liars than a used car salesman.. I say Hobby Lobby has every right to say the type of healthcare they provide… Nazi US government needs to stay out of the insurance business.. Odumba’s buddies are getting rich off of it…

  102. Mike says

    Dear David -

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ……..

    Close your business for whatever reason you want to. Go “honor” your god, if that’s what you are calling it and leave the rest of us alone. Someone else will fill the gap.

    Have a good weekend!

  103. Shon R. Blake says

    Dear Mr. Green,

    Does your current health insurance policies for your employees provide them with birth control pill, injections, O-rings, etc? Most people don’t know this, so don’t feel bad if you don’t. Doctors do not readily share this information.

    When a woman uses these kind of contraceptives, each month the ova can get fertilized (becomes a zygote). At the end of the three week cycle when the user takes the “off” pill, it causes the menstrual lining of the uterus to release…thus washing out the zygote. Every month this can happen…for years and years, for each individual user. This is why the Vatican condemned it so heatedly!

    I am not trying to bash you in any way sir, in fact I am flattered and proud of the statement you have made and the convictions you are standing behind here. It is poignant and heartfelt for many Judeo-Christians. However, countless fertilized human eggs…babies…are destroyed every day by these contraceptives and you have not, obviously, been informed about this. It is with deep regret I have to tell you these words…”You are too late.”

    I wish the best blessings for you and yours and I believe God will honor your choices as he apparently already has. You don’t have anything you don’t deserve. May God bless you and keep you as he always has.

    Love and Belief,

    Mrs. Shon R. Blake

  104. Melanie says

    Dear Hobby Lobby,
    I understand your reasons and I disagree with the healthcare plan, but personally believe that closing the stores isn’t the answer…that is what the gov’t wants…more people to rely on THEM….so you would be doing your employees a disservice.

    Technically there are a TON or rx meds that are NOT safe during a pregnancy and can kill the baby…granted these morning after pills are meant exactly for that…but just because you are now required by law to OFFER it as part of the insurance shouldn’t change anything. If someone chooses to kill their baby, they will via pay for the abortion later in the pregnancy or take the morning after pill…it is THEIR sin, not yours.

    Don’t let the gov’t rule your life…let God. Now if God is telling you this is what you have to do, by all means, do it. Just pray hard and fast…seek God’s will.

    Abortions happen legal or illegal (my mother was a result of a rape in 1950 and her birth mother was 15 and went to a “back alley” abortion clinic in ATL…the dr who killed plenty of babies refused to kill my mom b/c her birth mom was so young)….so an abortionist actually saved my mother’s life. God can take what is meant for evil and turn it into something good!

    Your employees will make their choice whether it is required that you offer that as an option or not. What you would be doing is putting them out of a job and hurting their families that they are trying to provide for.

    Please pray more before making a decision that will impact so many. I am anti-abortion (in any case) and anti Obama plan…but fighting back and speaking out says more than giving up.

    Thank you….May God continue to bless you and your business!

  105. Freddie says

    I respect the fact that you have your religious beliefs. However, you cannot and must not impose those religious beliefs on your employees. It\’s as simple as that. If you feel you must go out of business as a result, so be it. You have a responsibility to follow federal law, and if you feel something else is more important than that, then you should stop doing business in the US. But don\’t blame the governement for that, that is YOUR CHOICE.

  106. Theresa says

    His family’s religious view’s.. HIS FAMILY’S views. One part of religious freedom that he is failing to acknowledge is that each person has the right to chose what they believe and how they want to relate to their God. Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, E-Free, Lutheran, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Fundamentalists, Mormons… No one believes the same, worships the same, or will agree on it all. Religious freedom means that each person has the right to choose how they want to worship. Why does Hobby Lobby, religious medical facilities, or any other business with a religious backing feel that they have the right to push THEIR beliefs on their employees?

    Each person makes choices and those consequences are between them and God. If you don’t want to use some aspect of your health care plan, then that is your choice. But who are they to deny people, specifically WOMEN, access to equal healthcare. When Viagra first came out, it was covered under medical insurance by a specific religious employer, but that employer’s healthcare would not cover birth control pills for a woman with endometriosis so bad that she had to have surgery to get it under control.

    It is not Hobby Lobby’s job to tell their female employees what they can or can’t do with their bodies. It is an individual decision that needs to be respected.

  107. Pam says

    I’m sad to hear you would put thousands of people out of job because you can no longer dictate what they decide to do in terms of their own family planning, and prevent them from making decisions they feel best for their health and bodies.
    Emergency contraceptives are not abortion-inducing drugs. Medical professionals have made that quite clear, and use science- not personal views, to educate the public on the mechanism of the drugs. Sadly, scare tactics such as yours have swayed many people to believe a myth over actual science, and now use it as an excuse to financially devastate people.
    I’ve been a loyal customer for years. It all stops today. I’ll take my business elsewhere.
    Best of luck to all you future unemployed people.

  108. CMorales says

    I think this is the final nail in the coffin for me and Hobby Lobby. I really like the stores offerings and I actually respect the fact they close on Sundays for their employees. But I’ve had some bad customer service there recently and this is just infuriating. I have to think that most of his employees need medical coverage for serious medical conditions, not rampant abortion pill taking. If we let companies cherry pick what they will and will not cover they will most liekly take it too far. So that’s why it needs to be out of the company’s hands. What else will they decide not to cover, birth control pills?

  109. Silver says

    This doesn’t strike me as a very “Christian” attitude to have towards the employees that work there. The owners would be willing to put all of those people out of work just to prove a point? Doesn’t sound right to me. I also thought there was a verse in the Bible about submitting to the governing authorities in matters of the law. Apparently that one doesn’t apply to these “Christians.”

  110. Desiree G says

    An employer no more gets to dictate health care options to its employees as they do get to dictate how an employee spends their paycheck. Does this religious dictator tell his employees they are not allowed to use their paycheck on alcohol? on buying Playboy magazines? on watching R rated movies? on supporting Democrats? No, he is not allowed and if his response is to take his ball and go home, let him. Perhaps he and his family can go on welfare and food stamps, something he and his right wing cronies think is such a sweet ride.

  111. says

    David Greene
    Hobby Lobby
    7707 SW 44th Street
    Oklahoma City, OK. 73179

    Mr. Green:

    I am writing this letter to you concerning my wife that got severally injured in your Deerbook store in Houston, Texas. It happened in June 2003. I am sure you are aware of this subject.

    My wife is disabled, she is diagnosed with Traumatic Brain and Head Injuries. Her eyes continually blink. They said it was caused when her head it the concrete floor. Also she goes to a Orthopedic for her back and neck injuries.

    Since she is under the care of Dr. Paul Schultz, at Baylor Medical . He is the Dr. that found all her head and brain injuries. The first hospital stay under Dr. Schultz
    Care, she had a stroke. And now she continually has what they call miney strokes. At the time of Dr. Shultz being her Neurologist as soon as one of your attorneys kept this information from the Judge. Because he knew this information would turn the case complety.

    We have been told how you are suppose to be a good Christian. I don’t see where that would be true. So many of my relatives, friends, nurses, doctors, ext. cannot believe this did not ever get to court, or no one from HL ever attempt to contact us. Do you knowwho is paying for my wifes Medicare, Medicade, SS,discipline? The State and Tax payers. I am attaching to you some of the many letters that I have sent.

    Like I mentioned to you, where is the Christian in you. There are many people from different cities that have stopped going to HL..But you must think that could not hurt your business. So if you would please read the attachments that I am sending you,

    All I want to see is JUSTICE for my wife that never had a chance to go to court of talk to a judge. She will be disabled for the rest of her life. And we have gone through all of our savings on Dr. bills and hospitals, test. Now we have to except money given to us by our family. When we were always the ones to give and help.

    I pray for you that you sleep at night, and when you look at your self you see a Christian.

    May God Bless you

    Harry Astolfo

  112. Tammy says

    I hat to hear this!!! I love Hobby Lobby!! Please don’t close, but you are so right the government has no business tell you how to run your stores. This will really sad world that we live in. God Bless you for stand up for how you believe.. Amen

  113. Opal says

    The only people that are going to lose here, are the Hobby Lobby employees.
    They will be out of a job!
    Shame on you, Mr. Green!

  114. scott L Randolph says

    you shouldnt force your personal beliefs on your workforce. and customers. Just because you allow your personal beliefs to influence your decisions as a christian your are forceing your beliefs on others making you No better than the TALIBAN think about that

    • JD says

      You do realize that Hobby Lobby is the owner of the stores right? Not the employees, not the customer, and not the government. It’s their right to determine how they’re going to run their business. You analogy is backward, the government is forcing it’s views on the owners of Hobby Lobby. It’s the government that is the Taliban. Think about that….

  115. bloujeanbay says

    God knows the heart of everyone. He sees with the eagles eye view. He is the judge. Not you or I. What to do? God said, ” Keep Me in your heart”.
    As sons and daughters of a righteous God, we must bring honor and glory to His kingdom & keep His commands. That is my duty to my creator. His Word has been given already. The only question left, then, is: What would Jesus do?

  116. Jeff says

    I am a man of faith and my understanding from my lifetime as a Christian is that we are to spread God’s word and the message of The Father and Christ to others – but I missed the scripture that called me to prevent my fellow man from making the choice themselves – or preventing the “non-christian options” from even being something they could choose. We have been given Free Will. A man brought to the table of our Lord by cutting off any other path is not a man who has accepted nor will even benefit from being seated at that table. If the founder of Hobby Lobby can’t see the huge opportunity they have within their company to touch hearts and spread Christ’s message to those who are open to and prepared to receive it….. and are going to turn their back on that profound opportunity because they can’t choose FOR their employees…. then they truly are missing the mandate they have been given by their faith! A sad day that they’re even contemplating this and I’m fearful they are using The Word as a tool in a task it was not forged for!

  117. jennifer H says

    1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?

    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend).
    He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.
    Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I’m confident you can help.

    Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

    Your adoring fan,
    James M. Kauffman,
    Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,
    Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

    P.S. (It would be a damn shame if we couldn’t own a Canadian.)

    • Calvin says

      Jennifer, your name seems to imply you are female. Therefore you aren’t allowed to possess anything- you are to be a man’s property. That would be father till married and husband afterward. So your questions are or should be asked by your master- you know the man of the house.
      Then again you sign it with a males name, a James Kauffman, quoting his position, maybe looking for some respect as being educated? To him/you I would just like to share something, since you have shared so much that you don’t understand:
      1 Corinthians 1:18-19, For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

    • Mike says

      Wow you really have a lot of hate going on, don’t you? If you could only understand how much he loves you. Do you understand the Jesus Christ is the end of the law….he fulfilled it. He is the essence of it. Did he not say Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, mind, and strength, and also to love your neighbor? Truth is we have all sinned and a loving God took death in our place so we can be forgiven. Can you believe that or will you continue to mock with all that knowledge? Either way you will stand and kneel before Jesus Christ one day. You should be glad we are not under the law as the Jew was….they couldn’t keep it and neither can any of the rest of us…it was meant to show us how sinful we are not how good we are. And stoning provisions were to keep the people pure. We don’t stone one another today….we love one another and we bring our own bodies into subjection unto the obedience of Jesus Christ…and love for him. If you could only realize what God has done for you.

    • rachel says

      i dont appreciate this at all this is complete blasphemy. If you knew anything you would know that when the coming of the Lord Christ’s birth, death and ressurection it put an end to the old testament Law which is everything you just brought.

  118. Amerall6789 says

    Uh… How about this, If you don’t want an abortion, DON’T GET ONE!!!! If someone does, it’s clearly between them and god. Let god handle it! It’s NOT your decision!!!! If a man owns his business then the government has no say in how he runs it. If he chose’s to close it, that’s his choice. I suppose judging from the educational rants proffered here by learned professors of higher education that our founding fathers were not smart enough to understand what they were writing. Proof of that is the fact that the Capitol building was used for a lot of years every Sunday morning as a CHURCH! And….Wait for it…! Thomas Jefferson and several other founding fathers served on those Sunday’s as the preacher! They were obviously too stupid to understand what they wrote when they decried separation of church and state, the dummies, all they had to do to understand the real interpretation of what they meant was listen to the Liberal socialist Supreme court justices as they gave us the real interpretation of what they meant!

  119. Ed Stewart says

    I agree 100% that this is wrong. But I also know that God said we are to follow the “Laws of the Land.” He didn’t say we can pick and choose which one’s either. So I believe the Lord knows that even thought it goes against all of our beliefs, we simply following his instructions. Although your heart is in the right place, Its going to be a shame that you effect so many of your employee’s lives because your confused about what the lord wants/would do. My belief is that he would follow the “Law of the Land.”

  120. Jason says

    In a pre-ceremony meeting with media, Green responded to rumors that Hobby Lobby will close all 500 of its stores across 43 states.
    “That is not going to happen. That is on the Internet with my name supposedly signed to it, but we’re not planning on shutting any stores down,” Green said. “We’ve got a battle to fight, and it may take years, but we feel like in the end we will win.”
    On the contrary, Green said Hobby Lobby intends to keep expanding while opposing the regulations.
    “We continue to grow, we’re adding 35, 40 stores a year. And so for us, as we grow and we earn more profits, we see that as just more ministry,” Green added. “So as long as there’s more ministries needed, then there’s more growth needed, so we continue to plan to grow.”

    http://www.iwusojourn.com/2013/04/03/hobby-lobby/

  121. MBN says

    Um, you are aware that emergency contraception and the morning after pill do not cause abortions right? They prevent implantation. That is when you are considered pregnant.

  122. James says

    I have read several of the post on here and can say that we, not as Americans, but as individuals have a lot to learn. It is sad that we can’t speak our mind without someone having something to say negatively about our personal feelings. As a pastor I always tell people that we can agree to disagree but still have respect and love for each other.
    Now as a pastor I will have to agree with some of what has been said about the scriptures that pertain to abortion, but it was not Jesus who said “I knew you in the womb,” for Jesus was the human form in which Christ, “the Son took on while on Earth.” Agree or disagree to rather He exists or does not exist is your choice, but is mine to believe He does exist. Christianity is not a religion, but is a way of life in which one follows the teachings of Christ to those we read of in the Bible.
    To the issue at hand about Hobby Lobby. They are a company who is founded and guides its business practices based on their beliefs in Christ and the Bible, “the Word of God.” According to our constitution there is a separation between church and state and it is there to prevent the government from making people do things against their personal beliefs, that’s why we have America because the Separatist wanted to worship without the government of England interfering in their lives.
    Hobby Lobby hires people everyday who know of its practices based on their beliefs so if they have a problem with it they should look for work somewhere else. If you went to apply for a job at a mental hospital that treated people with violent outburst, then you must be prepared for what will take place in the work force. Hobby Lobby has every right to close their stores if they wish, it happens everyday across America. Walgreen’s, Belk, JcPenny, Sears, Krogers, and several other name brand stores close everyday because of their personal desire to save money. Hobby Lobby is faced with a money issue as well as a belief crisis to the healthcare act.
    But above everything that I and others have said, please do each of yourselves a favor and respect the other persons feelings.

  123. Brightsword says

    Hi Klyph,
    What if your mom killed you on your first day, or second day, or third day, etc. of existence… You wouldn\’t be here now! So, is that a good or bad thing? What is your purpose in life? Why were you created? If life does not begin at conception, when does it begin oh learned one?
    ~b

  124. Ed says

    One more comment and I’m done. Everything I have been taught say’s that abortion is wrong, But I was also taught “I’m not to JUDGE anyone.” Everyone will be awarded their own JUDGEMENT DAY.

  125. says

    I believe you are doing the right thing and I support you completely. When you believe you can no longer control your own business see ATLAS SHRUGGED.!!
    The time is now upon us that was foretold. God bless you and your family.

    SHRUG!

  126. mark says

    go ahead and close, i’d rather see you go out of business that threaten and whine about how government is out to get you. i’m sure you’ve made millions off of government corporate welfare, also known as tif and sales tax rebates, and spreading taxes out over years and having the government pay for employee training etc. what a blowhard! fulltime employees make 80% over minimum? so, at a minimum, ALL your fulltime employees make at least $13.05 an hour? really, and what’s your ratio of full time to part time employees? cry me a river, just close your stores and shut up.

  127. Rena Barlow says

    I am proud of you for standing by your faith and your conscience. But I would really miss Hobby Lobby. I sooo enjoy shopping at your stores! Bless you and your family…

  128. Wil Lunsford says

    Perhaps the writer of this blog should have done some research before he posted this. If Hobby Lobby was going to close business, tell me why they have opened 45 new stores this year and plan to open another 45 in 2014? And why are they building new offices and warehouses in Oklahoma City if they were going to close? And the letter by David Green posted above is correct except for the last sentence, that was added by someone else. Don\’t believe everything you see online.

  129. K says

    The morning after pill is by far the most helpful little pill! In cases where normal means of birth control fails (condom, birth control pills, etc), taking that one little pill will ease your worries. More often than not sex happens when it’s not planned, and its better to be safe than sorry with the pill. It is NOT covered by ANY insurance. What is covered is birth control. Pills, uid, all that stuff. Very useful for couples that are on the low income scale, or have had too many children already but cannot get an operation to fix that.

    What would be preferable to you? Preventing the pregnancy? Or waiting till there is something inside there and aborting it?

  130. Denise Meyer says

    It is an honor and privilege to have been a customer of Hobby Lobby and it is even a greater privilege to know that my money was spent in a business that honors GOD’S laws first. Paying a high cost for ones faith is not new in 2013 and has not been new for hundreds of years. David Green and his family have done their best to do well to their employees. First, they have never hidden the fact that they were Christians. If the employees wish to take a life, it shouldn’t be on the Green’s conscience nor should they have to do something that is against the very rules that make up their way of life!
    I for one, would be heartbroken to see this store close, but if it were me, I would rather close my doors and “kill” my business than to take a human life. If people would keep their bodies to themselves until marriage or use protection, they wouldn’t even have something to complain about!!!! If rape is a case then there are plenty of childless couples willing to pay for care and costs just to have a baby. Even in a case of a surprise pregnancy (is that an oxymoron?) There is always a right way, but this world is so bent on its own destruction that no one can see that they are destroying everyone and everything in their path!

  131. Klee says

    I see all these comments… and all I can think of is… it’s the founder of Hobby Lobby that has the right to what he sees fit for his company. No matter what anyone else says it’s his company and that’s it. If he doesn’t want the morning after pill within his plan who are you to say he has to?? You run your company the way you want to and Mr. Green will run his the way he wants to and if he is forced to go against his belief he has the right to do what he wants with his company. Also I can not support any company that allows the killing of a baby.. and I mean at conception! Mr. Green, I am sorry if you have to close your stores, Hobby Lobby will be missed as a wonderful place to shop.

  132. Micah says

    Mr. Green I wish you the best of luck you are a great man and you have been truly blessed by Jesus Christ the lord and savior of the universe, I wish I had the power to help you but unfortunately I do not, I now look up to you for you are a fine example of what kind of man I want to be. Fight for your beliefs, it is truly astounding to see the ignorance some of these comments I’ve seen by these liberals who believe that abortion or morning after pills are justified, they are nothing less than brainwashed. and God will judge them according to their sins, I will pray for you and your employees I hope that everything works out in the end and that the government is stopped before you have no other choice but to close down your stores.

  133. Peggy says

    I cannot believe Hobby Lobby would just shut it’s doors and leave thousand’s of employees without their livelyhoods just on the chance that one MIGHT obtain some form of birth control through the new insurance? As my Mom would say…..”Cut off your nose to spite your face!”

    This is some kind of marketing ploy, or they just want to shut down and obviously don’t give a DAMN about their employees!

    I guess I will shop at Michael’s now, regardless!

    • Marc says

      Don’t fault them for living by their principles! The principle comes first, the rest follows. Sometimes those decisions are easy and sometimes it’s hard. The point of the article above is that Hobby Lobby was built on Christian principles. Since their closely held principles forbid them to do something that would thwart a human life, the easier choice is to scale back their business. Don’t diminish it to “might” obtain birth control, follow the logic, some employee “will obtain” these forms of contraception which means eventually “will abort” what is meant to be a human being.

  134. says

    Everyone talked about the Christian principles but not one person noticed that at the very start Mr. Green said,WE CLOSE EARLY AND ARE NOT OPEN ON SUNDAYS so not true here in Ohio.

  135. Mary says

    I understand your concern here. In fact I know some people here in Ohio that own a business and they are thinking of jumping on the religious over-ride for insurance and not get it for their employees because it covers blood transfusions and that is against their moral code and regardless of what their employees believe they have the right to deny them insurance due to their own beliefs. This is only the beginning.

  136. Pam says

    I Agree with Hobby Lobby founder!! Unfortunately, with certain elected and previous officials, taking religion out of schools, out of gov. etc., it has turned into a Pagan society. Why is Muslin prayer allowed in schools and not christian prayer? Makes one wonder. I hope this fight he wins if not, yes follow God and the Bible. We can prayer for the others and pray they can see what is happening in this US and the world. It is a true shame what the US has come to.

  137. Paul Ellingsen says

    I don’t want to get in the middle of name calling. Those of a atheist world view won’t change their mind by that, but the question is: WHEN DID HEALTH INSURANCE BECOME A RIGHT? It seems to me that this country started out with the declaration of independence “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
    WHEN DID HEALTH INSURANCE BECOME A RIGHT? Don’t people have a right to buy their own health insurance?

    • CalvinT says

      I don’t understand this was about 2 months ago and you are just now commenting? The courts, so far has agreed with Hobby Lobby, just so you know.

  138. Green is a hypocrite. says

    Green is a hypocrite. He’d rather pretend this about His faith rather than the incomes of all the people working in his stores, more Women and Men out of work just what a bad economy needs, and for what, silly superstitious nonsense.

    Shame on all of you for putting more emphasis on your own personal dogmatic beliefs if it harms other people in the process. This is the real world, in it are no gods, no pink elephants, no unicorns, NO JESUS, no ufo’s, no immortal soul, no angles, no demons, no yaweh, no allah, no krishna, none of it….get that through thick primitive skulls. IT IS YOU who believe all the afore mentioned crap who perpetuate this kind of real world pain. IT IS YOU who are forcing your beliefs on others who may not share them, IT IS YOU violating religious freedom !

  139. SAGibson says

    It’s ironic the owner of this franchise wishes to control the private, personal choices of its employees over insurance coverage concerning contraceptives when Hobby Lobby does business with China, which not only allows contraception for population control, but provides to its citizens abortion services as well.

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